James Toney vs Prime Lennox Lewis

[Snopkins]

Hopkins was rated within Ring magazines top ten middleweight ratings.His struggle against Mercado had everything to do with the altitude rather than Mercado.They rematched immediately and Hopkins put out arguably the finest performance of his career and destroyed Mercado.

[sonnyboyx2]

Jones was obviously closer to his prime than Hopkins, he would go on to dominate James Toney the next year, while Hopkins would have to resort to headbutting in 95 to get a undeserved draw against a journeyman called Sercundo Mercado. His when over Hopkins is also a win thet became great only after Hopkins MW title reign started. The guys to beat at MW were Jackson and McClellan not Hopkins.

This logic makes no sense, Toney said that he wasn't 100% when he fought Jones and wanted a chance to redeem himself. HBO also wanted the fight because the first fight had been so succesfull(300k ppv)
Toney had no history with Lewis nor was there any demand from HBO for the fight, so bad comparison.

lol at this its was a wide sided affair, which why there was such a uproar about it.

Lewis clearly won his first fight with Holyfield. Also Vitali K and Holyfield are more accomplished than Toney and Hopkins. Toney has thrown away 13 years of his career due to huis eating problem and lost to guys he had no business losing to like Thadazi and Tiberi. Hopkins best wins are over a WW Tito and a average Tarver.

lol
Vinny paz had no business fighting at smw
Hill was past prime and coming off a one sided loss to Dairus M
McCallum was 40 years old and one fight away from retirement
etc etc

Nope, Lewis will always be ranked higher than Jones look at all the guys Jones somehow manged to miss
MW: McClellan, Jackson
SMW: Eubank, Benn, Liles, Nunn, Rociganni, Collins
LHW: Nunn, Rochiaganni, Toney II
CW: Jirov
HW: Vitali K who was his mandatory for Jones WBA belt

He has also lost to : Tarver*2,Johnson, Griffin, Calzaghe and Danny Green

you are a serious nuthugger mate... you are wrong on everything you say... To claim that Lennox Lewis will be ranked as a greater fighter than Roy Jones is deluding yourself... put yourself a poll up on this forum asking who will be remembered as the greater fighter and Jones will get 20 times more votes than Lewis will..

you are obviously a BHop hater...BHop had been a pro longer than Jones so he was obviously further away from being in his prime...You claim BHop resorted to headbutting, yet you never questioned it when i claimed Lennox Lewis deliberatly headbutted Vitali opening up his cut......

Jones had bigger fish to go after than Jackson or McClellan in 94-95 he moved to super-middle and beat James Toney.. Jones was a 3/1 dog on fightnight...Jackson & McClellan was not rated higher than Toney in the P4P lists.. Toney was No2

Toney often called for a fight with Lewis, he called Lewis "nothing but a big fairy"...Toney said after the Lewis vs Tua fight that the fight was pathetic because both fighters was scared of eachother, he said he would whoop Lewis ass"

Lewis win over Vitali was flawed, to claim otherwise is diluding yourself... Holyfield was robbed in his 2nd fight with Lewis even though he was clearly on the slide and years past his best..

Toney has had a brilliant career.. Toney is one of the greatest fighters who ever lived yet you claim he wasted 13yrs of his career, i can recall no other former middleweight champion who had as much success in the higher weight divisions than James Toney..

you claim Hopkins best wins was over Trinidad & Tarver, yet he also beat DeLaHoya, Pavlik, Johnson and many other good fighters.... you are a Hater of BHop.

Pazienza, Hill & McCallum was all very good fighters, far far better than Lionel Butler, Phil Jackson, Justine Fortune, Zelko Mavrovic, Frans Botha, Michael Grant, Henry Akinwande, Hasim Rahman who Lewis chose to fight instead of fighting the top contenders and fighters who was at the top of their game...

[Shazam!]

I see James Toney as a miniature Mike Tyson and we all know what happened to Mike Tyson. Up until he fought Lewis, Tyson had never been dominated in a fight. In fact he was still KO'ing good opposition and had only ever lost to Holyfield (in a close fight) and Buster Douglas (also a close fight with a disputable count). And Tyson himself discarded any idea that he could have beaten Lewis, even in his prime. So I'm gonna have to go for a quick KO for Lewis on this one (tries to hold back the laughter at the thought of them ever fighting).

“There’s no way I could ever beat him. He’s just too big and too strong. I’m just glad he didn’t kill me. He’s a magnificent fighter.” -A drug-free, clear speaking Mike Tyson talking about Lennox Lewis immediately after their fight.

Lewis: 41 votes, Tony: 9 votes .....an American message board.

Says it all.

But what's this I see. Someone suggesting that Lennox Lewis ducked James Toney and Chris Byrd? Oh ****, really? Pardon me for not taking that seriously!

Hang on.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!!!!!

That's better.

[mickey malone]

so you are in agreement that if a champion does not fancy fighting the No1 contender then he should just tell them to **** off... we need not have any ratings in that case..

it really does grate on me when David Tua is called "one of the hardest punchers in history".. Take away his KO of John Ruiz whom he caught cold, and he has KOd no0one of worth... did he KO Chris Byrd or Lennox Lewis... i will always stick to my theory that Lou Duva knew that Tua was `chinny` so kept him away from top level fighters who could punch.. Tua was pounded by Ibeabuchi and staggered at the bell in round 10 yet Ibeabuchi was an unknown novice...sorry but i dont rate him higher than a class c fighter, his boxing ability was very poor... Cory Sanders i would take to KO Tua, Sanders was a 6ft 5ins southpaw puncher, i could not see Tua beat him at any aspect of the game, Tua would need to win by KO but i see Sanders KOing him first, like he did Wlad Klitschko when he was in semi-retirement.

Byrd was only made no1 contender by the IBF and this was after beating Tua in a final eliminator.. Lewis had already agreed to fight Mike Tyson in a big money fight.. After beating Tyson, Lewis vacated the IBF belt to defend against the WBC's no1, Vitaly Klitschko.. Byrd then beat Holyfield to claim the vacant belt..
Agreed, he had time to fit in a defense against Byrd, but he'd been threatening retirement and didn't need the money.. I won't argue that at 38 years old, he probably regarded Byrd as too big a risk in getting to Vitaly, who let's face it, was the far bigger scalp to go out on..

It seems you rate Sanders in the same way that I rate Tua.. And rightly so, because if Sanders could win a world title by getting lucky then so could Tua.. True, Sanders was a massive puncher with 18 1st round KO's, but he was always a bit fragile in the chin department.. He was knocked cold by Nate Tubbs who Tua took care of inside 2 rounds..
Rahman sparked Sanders, and Vitaly pasted him.. Too much is also looked into Tua's draw with Rahman.. When they fought prime for prime, Tua stopped him in 10..
I don't agree with your theory that Tua's chinny.. To get wobbled by Ibeabuchi in the last round doesn't mean to say he's weak around the gills.. You may regard Ike as a novice fighter but he was easily good enough to KO Byrd in only his 10th fight, so I think that says something about Tua's chin being pretty good.. As for a match with Sanders, well Tua's got a much better chin than Wlad, so that's where my money would be..

[sonnyboyx2]

I see James Toney as a miniature Mike Tyson and we all know what happened to Mike Tyson. Up until he fought Lewis, Tyson had never been dominated in a fight. In fact he was still KO'ing good opposition and had only ever lost to Holyfield (in a close fight) and Buster Douglas (also a close fight with a disputable count). And Tyson himself discarded any idea that he could have beaten Lewis, even in his prime. So I'm gonna have to go for a quick KO for Lewis on this one (tries to hold back the laughter at the thought of them ever fighting).

“There’s no way I could ever beat him. He’s just too big and too strong. I’m just glad he didn’t kill me. He’s a magnificent fighter.” -A drug-free, clear speaking Mike Tyson talking about Lennox Lewis immediately after their fight.

Lewis: 41 votes, Tony: 9 votes .....an American message board.

Says it all.

But what's this I see. Someone suggesting that Lennox Lewis ducked James Toney and Chris Byrd? Oh ****, really? Pardon me for not taking that seriously!

Hang on.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!!!!!

That's better.

Douglas beat Tyson 11yrs before he fought Lewis, Holyfield beat Tyson 6yrs beat Tyson lost to Lewis, Tyson served at least 3 prison sentences in that period... Tyson was on tranquilizers when losing to Lewis.. both Danny Williams & Kevin McBride both beat Tyson far more convincingly than what Lewis did... Lewis seen Tyson weighing 285lbs four months after he beat Brian Neilson in Sweden, so he offered him $20 million giving him 8 weeks to get ready for the fight which Tyson spent in the sauna (8 weeks sitting in a sauna) just so that he looked physically respectable on fight-night.. Tyson was drained as it showed in the fight, having nothing left midway through the opening round... in an interview for HBO after the fight Tyson said, "Lennox knew that if i was in shape i would have kicked his ass".... but its old news because Danny Williams & Kevin McBride showed that Tyson was a completely washed-up fighter after the Holyfield (2) fight... yet Lewis nuthuggers like to claim it was a PRIME Tyson who Lewis fought & a PRIME Holyfield who Lewis fought.. yet true boxing fans know that Lewis had oppotunities to fight both Tyson & Holyfield along with Bowe during the 1990s and ran scared of them...Like what James Toney called Lewis "nothing but a big *****"...Jeremy Williams was a sparring partner for Lewis and he called Lewis " a big *****".. Williams also said, he had been in training camp with Rid**** Bowe and that Bowe would have murdered Lewis.... go watch the BBC documentary on Lewis aired the night of Lewis vs Rahman..

Nothing do i enjoy better than coming onto boxing websites and telling it like it really was to Lewis nuthuggers ... The truth hurts!

[Shazam!]

“There’s no way I could ever beat him. He’s just too big and too strong. I’m just glad he didn’t kill me. He’s a magnificent fighter.” -A drug-free, clear speaking Mike Tyson talking about Lennox Lewis immediately after their fight.

I don't know about the 'other' Tyson interview you're referring to, sonnybody. I only know this one, which the entire world saw and listened to.

You know, the one where Tyson says 'THERE'S NO WAY I COULD EVER BEAT HIM'.

It's the word, isn't it? 'Ever'.

[Shazam!]

Nothing do i enjoy better than coming onto boxing websites and telling it like it really was to Lewis nuthuggers ... The truth hurts!

Oh, we can see that ;-) Don't worry.

...and you're right, the truth does hurt. Especially when it comes straight out of Mike Tyson's mouth.

'THERE'S NO WAY I COULD EVER BEAT HIM.'

You're clear evidence that it hurts!

[sonnyboyx2]

Oh, we can see that ;-) Don't worry.

...and you're right, the truth does hurt. Especially when it comes straight out of Mike Tyson's mouth.

'THERE'S NO WAY I COULD EVER BEAT HIM.'

You're clear evidence that it hurts!

cant say i ever heard Tyson say that.. the only time i can recall tyson talking about Lewis was him saying, "he wanted to eat his children"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hREt7nfwexw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-ebFvTEfC8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYT0QLW0-7s

[Shazam!]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxi...ht/2036717.stm

Tyson said it in the post match interview.

It's also quoted here, in BBC News Report. The most reputable and popular website in the world.

I put it in my sig, along with Foreman's and Frazier's comments...just so that, in the future, when you're telling me how insignificant my opinion of Lewis is, that you're also saying the same things about these guys.

[Shazam!]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqhaNUVCip8

Here's the Interview with Tyson on youtube. He also talks about how Lennox is a 'constimate' (not a real word but you can see what he means) fighter, too fast, too strong...and that he didn't fight dirty like he did against Holyfield because Lennox is not a dirty fighter (something that Holyfield is) and Tyson alludes to this in the interview.

Eating his children? Haha. Behave. Meaningless promotion.