James Toney vs Prime Lennox Lewis

[sonnyboyx2]

Manny didnt say that, he said that Lewis fought to the level of his opponents amd he would of looked bad chasing Byrd around the ring. You should read the Lewis bio called Mamas Boy

Not true, as I said before it was the crappy guys who Lewis tended to struggle with because he wouldnt of been motivated to fight them, which is why he vacated the WBA belt, you cant really believe than Ruiz would beat Lewis?

Not true Manny said he was dissapointed that Lewis didnt fight Vitali again


Who did Lewis avoid according to you, please dont say Bowe.

i dont need to read Lewis mothers book... i followed all the news on a weekly basis in the U.K. fight rag Boxing News`.. i would never believe a single word that came out of Lewis mouth... he claimed McCall hit him with a lucky punch... He said when he got to his feet in the ring when levelled by Rahman, "Rahman can`t beat me"... two ****in howlers if ever i heard them... The fact remains that Lennox Lewis is the only undisputed champion in history to be stripped of every belt for refusing to fight the No1 contenders... so which ever way you want to try to avoid that or try spinning your way out of it, Lewis avoided those top contenders with the advice of Manny Stewart

[General Zod]

i dont need to read Lewis mothers book... i followed all the news on a weekly basis in the U.K. fight rag Boxing News`.. i

The book is a biography about Lewis its not written by him or his mom, lol

would never believe a single word that came out of Lewis mouth... he claimed McCall hit him with a lucky punch... He said when he got to his feet in the ring when levelled by Rahman, "Rahman can`t beat me"... two ****in howlers if ever i heard them...

All fighters have excuses when they perform badly, seems strange for you to just call lewis up for doing this. "It was a bad white mans decision", was Ali reason for his loss to Frazier for example

The fact remains that Lennox Lewis is the only undisputed champion in history to be stripped of every belt for refusing to fight the No1 contenders... so which ever way you want to try to avoid that or try spinning your way out of it, Lewis avoided those top contenders with the advice of Manny Stewart

Are you really going to tell me that Ruiz and Byrd had a chance against Lewis?

[sonnyboyx2]

The book is a biography about Lewis its not written by him or his mom, lol

All fighters have excuses when they perform badly, seems strange for you to just call lewis up for doing this. "It was a bad white mans decision", was Ali reason for his loss to Frazier for example

Are you really going to tell me that Ruiz and Byrd had a chance against Lewis?

i strongly believe that both Byrd & Ruiz would have beat Lewis... Both Byrd & Ruiz had fought their way to be No1 contenders and deserved their shot at the title but Lewis ducked them... Both Byrd & Ruiz have proved over time that they are both vastly superior fighters than both Rahman & McCall due to the opposition they have both beaten.. infact Ruiz won almost every round when he beat Rahman as did Byrd against both Holyfield & Tua..... Lewis fans are very quick to claim both Tyson & Bowe avoided Lewis even tho it is not true, yet when it is certain that Lewis ducked both Byrd & Ruiz those same Lewis fans like to try to belittle that fact and try to rubbish it... John Ruiz has had a far greater career than Lennox Lewis.. Lewis ducked Ruiz back in 1999 yet Ruiz is still a top contender and fighting for the title 11yrs later against David Haye.. the truth is that Ruiz is virtually undefeated in those 11yrs losing a couple of home-town split decisions over in Germany.. so dont try and belittle the abilities of John Ruiz who i strongly feel will regain the title against Haye... you may belittle him but Lennox Lewis knew exactly how ****in good he is as far back as 94

[mickey malone]

i strongly believe that both Byrd & Ruiz would have beat Lewis... Both Byrd & Ruiz had fought their way to be No1 contenders and deserved their shot at the title but Lewis ducked them... Both Byrd & Ruiz have proved over time that they are both vastly superior fighters than both Rahman & McCall due to the opposition they have both beaten.. infact Ruiz won almost every round when he beat Rahman as did Byrd against both Holyfield & Tua..... Lewis fans are very quick to claim both Tyson & Bowe avoided Lewis even tho it is not true, yet when it is certain that Lewis ducked both Byrd & Ruiz those same Lewis fans like to try to belittle that fact and try to rubbish it... John Ruiz has had a far greater career than Lennox Lewis.. Lewis ducked Ruiz back in 1999 yet Ruiz is still a top contender and fighting for the title 11yrs later against David Haye.. the truth is that Ruiz is virtually undefeated in those 11yrs losing a couple of home-town split decisions over in Germany.. so dont try and belittle the abilities of John Ruiz who i strongly feel will regain the title against Haye... you may belittle him but Lennox Lewis knew exactly how ****in good he is as far back as 94

Lewis only ever showed one weakness, and that was the ability to lose concentration and get nailed with a big single shot..
Byrd and Ruiz have never thrown a big single shot in their lives.. Even the KD Ruiz scored over an old, exhausted Holyfield, clearly caught Evander off balance and wouldn't have troubled a prime Lewis.. But I do agree that Lewis ducked him..
I'm not so sure about Byrd though, did he ever show any desire to fight Lewis?
Byrd was lucky against Vitaly, and completely exposed as out of his depth by Wlad, so unless Lewis sprained his ankle or something, how's he gonna win?

[sonnyboyx2]

Lewis only ever showed one weakness, and that was the ability to lose concentration and get nailed with a big single shot..
Byrd and Ruiz have never thrown a big single shot in their lives.. Even the KD Ruiz scored over an old, exhausted Holyfield, clearly caught Evander off balance and wouldn't have troubled a prime Lewis.. But I do agree that Lewis ducked him..
I'm not so sure about Byrd though, did he ever show any desire to fight Lewis?
Byrd was lucky against Vitaly, and completely exposed as out of his depth by Wlad, so unless Lewis sprained his ankle or something, how's he gonna win?

Did McCall or Rahman ever throw a "Big Single Shot" against any other opponent... When Lewis avenged his loss to Rahman with a 4th round KO it was "No Big Deal" because Rahman had been poleaxed in a similar if worse fashion before by Oleg Maskaev..

The Fact remains that Byrd & Ruiz was both No1 contenders and had legitimately fought their way to that privileged position in their trade.. For Lewis to say, "They are not worthy of a shot" is beyond comprehension.. if Lewis was the Champion he claimed to be he would have fought both and reigned supreme, but he ducked them because they was at the top of their game, styles make fights and both Ruiz & Byrd had a unique style that Lewis could not handle so he was not willing to take that chance.

Lewis boasted that he would "Have one brother for breakfast, the other brother for lunch"... he chose the least talented of the two and very nearly came unstuck, only very bad referee decision saved him his title.. He told the Boxing World that he would gladly give Vitali a rematch, yet he dragged out his title reign for 12 months unto only days before he was to be stripped of his last remaining belt and announced his retirement....

IMO Lennox Lewis was a `Coward` who refused to fight the No1 contenders or any fighters who was above Class C and at the top of their game, his whole career... he chose to fight guys who was mediocre and often white guys who was on steroids like Botha, Mavrovic, Morrison, Golota, Fortune, Tua, Vitali and fighters who was way past their best days in Bruno, Tyson, Holyfield, Tucker, Briggs, The rest of his opponents was hand-picked for harmlessness like, Grant, Butler, Jackson, Akinwande, Rahman... Lewis was a champion and contender throughout the period 92-2002 when guys like, Holmes, Foreman, Wlad, Jones Jr., Ruiz, Byrd, Moorer, Hide, Sanders, Tyson & Bowe all held titles and was at the top of their game... "Lewis avoided every single one of them"

[General Zod]

IMO Lennox Lewis was a `Coward` who refused to fight the No1 contenders or any fighters who was above Class C and at the top of their game, his whole career..."

Are you talking about Lewis or Roy Jones?

[SLASHEh]

Lewis by most likely KO, he would be too big for Toney.

[razzledaz 38]

lewis would be too much for toney physically

[Snopkins]

Lewis should have fought Ruiz and byrd.The Holyfield that Lewis beat wasn't all that much worse than the version Ruiz deserved atleast two wins over and the version Chris byrd pitched close to a shutout victory over.

[sonnyboyx2]

Are you talking about Lewis or Roy Jones?

i am talking about Lewis... at least Jones fought Hopkins & Toney when they was at the peak.. Lewis fought Tyson when he was a shell of the once ATG fighter, 11yrs after Buster Douglas hammered him and 6yrs after Holyfield finished him off... Lewis even tried to take Tyson to court and force him to fight him again (pathetic).. Lewis got an unlucky draw against an old Holyfield and IMO clearly lost their rematch.. so the best fighter Lewis ever beat was his fortunate points victory over Ray Mercer... maybe you can tell me one of his career victories that was better..
Jones career was light-years better than Lewis`s