Eder Jofre Or Manny Pacquiao?

[DeeMoney]

I lean slightly towards Jofre, though its close, REAL close.

I know Pac moved up more weight classes, but that doesn't matter as much to me. Ditto with accumulating more belts, as there are far more belts now and not a consistently organized schedule that ensures fighters have equal shots at titles.

My primary point of analysis is how good a fighter is during his prime relative to whichever weight class he chooses to fight in. I believe late 50s/early 60s Jofre to have been the greatest Bantamweight ever. Manny's prime, mid to late 00s was darn near as good, and he did so in historically more competitive weights classes. I just believe Jofre was a little more well rounded and slightly better.

For me, the second criteria, which makes it even closer, it longevity. Pacquiao clearly has had better career longevity, and to be honest if he can keep it up for another year or so he may move ahead. As I wrote, its really close.

[Rick Taylor]

I lean slightly towards Jofre, though its close, REAL close.

I know Pac moved up more weight classes, but that doesn't matter as much to me. Ditto with accumulating more belts, as there are far more belts now and not a consistently organized schedule that ensures fighters have equal shots at titles.

My primary point of analysis is how good a fighter is during his prime relative to whichever weight class he chooses to fight in. I believe late 50s/early 60s Jofre to have been the greatest Bantamweight ever. Manny's prime, mid to late 00s was darn near as good, and he did so in historically more competitive weights classes. I just believe Jofre was a little more well rounded and slightly better.

For me, the second criteria, which makes it even closer, it longevity. Pacquiao clearly has had better career longevity, and to be honest if he can keep it up for another year or so he may move ahead. As I wrote, its really close.

who did he beat doe?

[DeeMoney]

who did he beat doe?

Medel and Miranda were probably his best wins in his early career. Legra and Saldivar later on.

I know those names don't ring as loudly as some on Manny's resume, but thats why I think as rational observers we can rely on the eye test. Just because he didnt beat as many good names, we can see how good he is.

Also, facing Harada in Japan twice was impressive and I could see giving him their first fight.

Like I wrote, I primarily evaluate on how good i believe them to be in their prime, as opposed to just counting scalps and belts. As boxing doesnt grant everyone equal opportunities, and weight classes are not always equal, I find it to be a fair method of assessment.

[Rick Taylor]

Medel and Miranda were probably his best wins in his early career. Legra and Saldivar later on.

I know those names don't ring as loudly as some on Manny's resume, but thats why I think as rational observers we can rely on the eye test. Just because he didnt beat as many good names, we can see how good he is.

Also, facing Harada in Japan twice was impressive and I could see giving him their first fight.

Like I wrote, I primarily evaluate on how good i believe them to be in their prime, as opposed to just counting scalps and belts. As boxing doesnt grant everyone equal opportunities, and weight classes are not always equal, I find it to be a fair method of assessment.

your system is flawed and biased

[DeeMoney]

your system is flawed and biased

Any system that is not formulaic (ie like what they do at boxrec) will be biased. But when comparing fighters from different eras and weight classes the apples to oranges I believe allows for it.

Moreover, we are trying to answer two different questions (greater or better). Regardless, I stand by it.

[Rick Taylor]

Any system that is not formulaic (ie like what they do at boxrec) will be biased. But when comparing fighters from different eras and weight classes the apples to oranges I believe allows for it.

Moreover, we are trying to answer two different questions (greater or better). Regardless, I stand by it.

fair enough ��

[DeeMoney]

pacman has a better resume and he would ko this dude easily

Better Resume, yeah no argument.

KO easy, in their primes, probably. Then again Manny's prime was spent 12-20 lbs heavier than Jofre so it wouldnt really be a fair fight. Jofre's prime was spent under 120, last time Manny fought under 120 he was getting KO'ed by Bonsai Sangsurat.....

Okay, cheap shot. But it emphasizes the point that Manny's best weight was different than Jofre's, so to state Manny would KO this dude easily seems to ignore that. Especially when considering Jofre was never KO'ed

[Rick Taylor]

Better Resume, yeah no argument.

KO easy, in their primes, probably. Then again Manny's prime was spent 12-20 lbs heavier than Jofre so it wouldnt really be a fair fight. Jofre's prime was spent under 120, last time Manny fought under 120 he was getting KO'ed by Bonsai Sangsurat.....

Okay, cheap shot. But it emphasizes the point that Manny's best weight was different than Jofre's, so to state Manny would KO this dude easily seems to ignore that. Especially when considering Jofre was never KO'ed

jofree opposition overall is pretty bad.

and style wise pacman is all wrong for this dude

[them_apples]

jofree opposition overall is pretty bad.

and style wise pacman is all wrong for this dude

Jofres oposition was overall pretty good. Saldivar is one of the best FW's to ever lace them up. but yeah he doesnt have the resume of Pacquiao. its hard to gauge the 118 lb weight class back then cause it didnt get the big money fights or TV attention. for me at least, gott a study lol

at 118 hes better than Pacquiao, but its not fair, Pacquiaos prime is at higher weights and hes young and still sort of green at 118.

Pacquiao did all the weight jumping, but he did it in an era with multiple title holders and many inbetween weight classes. If Jofre moved up and fought a relative no name or mid level fighter and they threw a belt in, it might look more impressive (thats really all these weight jumpers are doing these days anyways)

I still think Pacquiao is the greater fighter based on accomplishments in his respective era, and if they met at a catchweight of 126 I got Pacquiao as well.

[The Old LefHook]

Jofre couldn't even carry Pacquiao's jockstrap. He never beat anyone of real significance. Churl wipes love to bandy his name about as some kind of exotic product they know about and you don't. Overrated, pure and simple. Without the opposition, you ain't got nothin'. And believe me, the same was true in 2010 when this thread was started. In 2010 it still took a halfwit to regard Jofre higher than Pacquiao. Eder who?