Joe Frazier Or Michael Spinks?

[gimmeyapudpud]

the big and undefeated 1968 heavyweight gold medalist whom also stopped Chuvalo by that time was very lightly regarded. really a nobody.

foreman was regarded as a joke because ever since he had turned professional his entire resume consisted of cream puffs save a win over who many regarded as a fighter who had seen better days in George Chuvalo

frazier looked for further paydays his entire career.

He was done and needed one last payday.

that's becuase he was busy fighting better opposition . i.e ali (3 times) ,
foreman (twice) , chuvalo , avenging his amateurs loss to mathis was also important , and mathis was 23-0-0 at the time , and Bonavena (twice) , and some less important but still important others like Bugner , Stander , and some others whom were mentioned by other poster here.

frazier wasn't busy doing anything.Ali was busy cosistently fighting world class opposition as was Jerry Quarry who was knocking off the fighters that frazier was ducking.


frazier was busy leeching off of greater fighters legacies and taking easier fights rather taking great risks.

true , but frazier's legacy was much greater , and never doubt the fact that frazier would have destroyed spinks inside 12 , much quicker than 12 , i believe.

frazier's resume doesn't even compare to that of Michael Spinks.Michael Spinks legacy lies as one of the greatest lightheavyweights of all time,in a division that has seen many.


Michael Spinks doesn't need the wins over Larry Holmes to be recognised as a true great.

His wins over Larry Holmes were simply a bonus and a great bonus at that considering Larry Holmes placing in heavyweight history.

[.Paulie.]

foreman was regarded as a joke because ever since he had turned professional his entire resume consisted of cream puffs save a win over who many regarded as a fighter who had seen better days in George Chuvalo






He was done and needed one last payday.






frazier wasn't busy doing anything.Ali was busy cosistently fighting world class opposition as was Jerry Quarry who was knocking off the fighters that frazier was ducking.


frazier was busy leeching off of greater fighters legacies and taking easier fights rather taking great risks.






frazier's resume doesn't even compare to that of Michael Spinks.Michael Spinks legacy lies as one of the greatest lightheavyweights of all time,in a division that has seen many.


Michael Spinks doesn't need the wins over Larry Holmes to be recognised as a true great.

His wins over Larry Holmes were simply a bonus and a great bonus at that considering Larry Holmes placing in heavyweight history.

You say Frazier avoided Lyle, Shavers, Mac Foster. Jerry Quarry stopped all 3 of those men. Frazier stopped Quarry twice.

So Frazier beat the man, who stopped all 3 of the men you claim Frazier avoided.

That just dosen add up or make sense..........Why would Frazier avoid Lyle, Shavers, and Foster, yet face a man who had stopped all 3 of them?

[boxingbuff]

Prime Holmes shuts out Spinks....Or stops him in the later rounds while way ahead.

[mrboxer]

in my mind michael spinks was a better fighter,if the two would of fought spinks would of beat frazier by 15 round unanimous decision,look at their records and the quality of opponent they had and clearly spinks resume is much greater

[gimmeyapudpud]

That just dosen add up or make sense..........Why would Frazier avoid Lyle, Shavers, and Foster, yet face a man who had stopped all 3 of them?

Because they were big punchers and Frazier spent his entire career ducking them.



Great fighters fighter fight the best of their generation and duck no one.Frazier avoided many of his generation to leech off of another man's legacy.

[StarshipTrooper]

Because they were big punchers and Frazier spent his entire career ducking them.

Great fighters fighter fight the best of their generation and duck no one.Frazier avoided many of his generation to leech off of another man's legacy.

Oh ffs just go get your tweezer assisted pud-pull and go to bed already: You've stolen enough oxygen around here for one night :wank:

Poet

[JAB5239]

You say Frazier avoided Lyle, Shavers, Mac Foster. Jerry Quarry stopped all 3 of those men. Frazier stopped Quarry twice.

So Frazier beat the man, who stopped all 3 of the men you claim Frazier avoided.

That just dosen add up or make sense..........Why would Frazier avoid Lyle, Shavers, and Foster, yet face a man who had stopped all 3 of them?

Its not that he doesn't understand Quarry took all these guys out of the Frazier sweepstakes, he just refuses to accept it. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Haters will be haters.

[gimmeyapudpud]

Its not that he doesn't understand Quarry took all these guys out of the Frazier sweepstakes, he just refuses to accept it. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Haters will be haters.

And yet Ali would end up fighting all three men,two of them when he was the world champion.

Greats take risks to achieve greatness,gabby.They don't have it set up on a platter for them.

True champions don't sit around and defend their title every now and then against hand picked opponents,gabby.They clear their division and prove their greatness.


frazier wasn't a champion for the last three years of his career either.


If Mac foster,Earnie Shavers and Ron Lyle fought in Louis's era,do you think he would have fought them?

[JAB5239]

And yet Ali would end up fighting all three men,two of them when he was the world champion.

He certainly didn't have to,just like he didn't have to go into Ken Norton's own backyard to fight an unknown but top ten ranked heavyweight when he had a title shot already in place.


Greats take risks to achieve greatness,gabby.They don't have it set up on a platter for them.

True champions don't sit around and defend their title every now and then against hand picked opponents,gabby.They clear their division and prove their greatness.


frazier wasn't a champion for the last three years of his career either.


If Mac foster,Earnie Shavers and Ron Lyle fought in Louis's era,do you think he would have fought them?

You simply can't understand that ducking a fight and not making a fight are two entirely different things. If these guys were in a mandatory position and Frazier said no, thats a duck. We all know this isn't the case though. They all got beat while jockeying for position, thats a fact. Frazier is one of the greatest heavyweights ever, you have to learn to live with that and let go of all the bitterness.

[BritishBoxing92]

was just thinking, and out of these two who do you think will be remembered as the greater fighter?

i find them hard to split.

Joe Fraziiiiier is better!!.....atleast frazier had the heart to get back up a few times while getting knocked down...he gave us the fight of the century and the thrilla in manilla....where as michael spinks got KTFO by My #1 All Time Favouraite Boxer....Mike Tyson