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    #141
    Originally posted by T3dBundy
    i have allways thought the welterweight division gets overrated, and some hardcore nostalgic boxing fans here just prove my point.
    Cripes, are you really THAT weight obsessed?

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      #142
      Originally posted by TheGreatA
      That doesn't really make any sense. Barney Ross was a lightweight/welterweight and should be compared to the all-time greats around his division, not to heavyweights. How can we possibly tell if a heavyweight Barney Ross could or could not compete with Floyd Patterson?

      Why does it get overrated? If anything, I believe the 70's golden era of heavyweights gets overrated. The late part of the 1970's post-Manila was dreadful with an aging Ali clinging onto his title for as long as he could. The late 60's and early 70's were good but the likes of Quarry, Lyle, Shavers are only as highly rated as they are due to their association with Ali.

      Foreman got the 5 million anyway so why would he care about the money whether he won or lost? He was going to get the money either way but in losing he lost his sense of pride. If Barney Ross lost, he's not going to make a living, and thus won't be able to feed his family and himself. The same for many of his opponents.
      George: "Can you imagine walkin' around with a five million dollars…more money at that time than anybody had ever seen, and all I could enjoy was the hate. Couldn't even count the money and buy cheeseburgers; Just wanted to get even.

      doesnt sound like he was going to get the money anyway

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        #143
        Originally posted by poet682006
        Cripes, are you really THAT weight obsessed?

        Poet
        according to jab, there is not 1 heavyweight who belongs to the top 10 atg list.
        and that was my response.

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          #144
          Originally posted by T3dBundy
          according to jab, there is not 1 heavyweight who belongs to the top 10 atg list. and that was my response.
          I don't put Heavyweights on p4p lists either.

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            #145
            Originally posted by poet682006
            I don't put Heavyweights on p4p lists either.

            Poet
            good for you

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              #146
              Originally posted by T3dBundy
              good for you
              I'm not obsessed by Heavyweights like some fans

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                #147
                Originally posted by poet682006
                I'm not obsessed by Heavyweights like some fans

                Poet
                kasparov>karpov

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                  #148
                  Originally posted by T3dBundy
                  kasparov>karpov
                  Whatever. Fischer > Kasparov

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                    #149
                    Originally posted by poet682006
                    I can say whatever I damn well please; and if I say you're an alt then you're an alt until I say otherwise. Know your role Junior.

                    Poet
                    LOL @ you trying to seem like a boss.

                    Until you have PROOF that I'm an alt, you have nothing to say.

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                      #150
                      Originally posted by Count
                      LOL @ you trying to seem like a boss.

                      Until you have PROOF that I'm an alt, you have nothing to say.
                      Since you aren't being accused of commiting a crime and this isn't a court of law, you're guilty until proven innocent

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