Prime Roy Jones beats every LHW in history

[The_Demon]

21 idiots and counting

[IMDAZED]

How can it be the same?

Doesn't matter to me either way. Just pointing out they were offered seven figure, career-high paydays and turned it down.

[Obama]

This question is a riot. Even if you want to over rate Jones and pretend he's the greatest LHW of all time, it's absurd to suggest he'd beat every LHW in the history of the sport. No one beats everyone. No one. Calling him untouchable is even more foolhardy. The non spectacular Lou Del Valle put him on his ass in '98.

In all honesty Jones was better as a MW and SMW.

[them_apples]

Roy was a great lhw, they all have a shot though. I like Spinks right hand.

[General Zod]

Doesn't matter to me either way. Just pointing out they were offered seven figure, career-high paydays and turned it down.

According to Jones, lord knows what the real terms of those contracts where like. Nigel Benn was practically broke going into the McClellan fight he owned the taxman hundreds of thousands of pounds. Which is why he took the McClellan fight over his mandatory defence, which was Michael Nunn. He was offered around 500k to fight Nunn but around 750K to fight McClellan. Both McClellan and Benn were told that the winner of McClellan-Benn would face the winner of Toney-Jones.He wanted that Jones fight to secure the future of his family, he was hoping to get around 6m. He was constantly asking his manager and King to try and make a deal. Jones claimed he made Benn an offer, but when did he make it? Benn had been calling him out since the McClellan fight and was retired after the Malinga fight, so when did Jones make him that offer?
His manager Peter Defreitas tells all this to Kevin Mitchell and it is in his book War Baby: The glamour of violence. Kevin Mitchell doesnt go into details but he said himself that Jones had no intention of ever fighting either fighter.

Eubank would of turned down an offer from Jones around 94-95, because he had his 10m deal with Sky to fight 8 fights against his mandatories. But after he had lost twice to Collins in 95 and realized that he was also hundreds of pounds in debt like Benn he asked Roy for a fight in 96.

knocked out Roy in the latter rounds. Eubank called out Roy around 1996, and in my opinion the reason that Roy wouldn't fight Eubank is because he'd seen what had happened to his friend Gerald McClellan on that tragic night against Benn, and in the back of his mind Roy

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[General Zod]

This question is a riot. Even if you want to over rate Jones and pretend he's the greatest LHW of all time, it's absurd to suggest he'd beat every LHW in the history of the sport. No one beats everyone. No one. Calling him untouchable is even more foolhardy. The non spectacular Lou Del Valle put him on his ass in '98.

In all honesty Jones was better as a MW and SMW.

Normally we dont agree on stuff, but good points

[General Zod]

What was that? A career high 90-10 split?

And when was that?

Basically you're saying that Benn and Eubank ducked Jones.

I seriously doubt he made decent offers to either fighter. James Toney during a conversation with sportswriter Donald McRae said that HBO were upset with Jones because he didn't want to fight anyone anymore and that was after the Eric Lucas fight. This is covered in the boxing book called the Dark Trade by Donald McRae.

In April 2006, when Jones was mulling whether he would fight again, I asked former HBO Sports president Seth Abraham for his thoughts on this enigma wrapped in a riddle.

“His drive was to do things that were of interest to him, but not necessarily to fight the very best middleweights, super middleweights and light heavyweights who were out there,” Abraham responded. “I think Roy’s legacy in the sport absolutely will suffer because he chose not to do everything he could to make himself as great as he might have been.”

http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxin...-jones-legacy/
Seth Abraham specifically says supermiddleweights, if Jones was going around making these great deals then it would make no sense for Abraham to say this.

[SplitSecond]

According to Jones, lord knows what the real terms of those contracts where like. Nigel Benn was practically broke going into the McClellan fight he owned the taxman hundreds of thousands of pounds. Which is why he took the McClellan fight over his mandatory defence, which was Michael Nunn. He was offered around 500k to fight Nunn but around 750K to fight McClellan. Both McClellan and Benn were told that the winner of McClellan-Benn would face the winner of Toney-Jones.He wanted that Jones fight to secure the future of his family, he was hoping to get around 6m. He was constantly asking his manager and King to try and make a deal. Jones claimed he made Benn an offer, but when did he make it? Benn had been calling him out since the McClellan fight and was retired after the Malinga fight, so when did Jones make him that offer?
His manager Peter Defreitas tells all this to Kevin Mitchell and it is in his book War Baby: The glamour of violence. Kevin Mitchell doesnt go into details but he said himself that Jones had no intention of ever fighting either fighter.

Eubank would of turned down an offer from Jones around 94-95, because he had his 10m deal with Sky to fight 8 fights against his mandatories. But after he had lost twice to Collins in 95 and realized that he was also hundreds of pounds in debt like Benn he did asked Roy for a fight in 96.


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jones offered benn some good money, but benn defienetly didn't want to fight jones, asking for 10 millions and then even admitting he didn't think he could win

yea, eubank turned down an offer saying he's afraid of jones then wants to fight jones when he's washed up and just needs a payday

uhh no

[General Zod]

jones offered benn some good money, but benn defienetly didn't want to fight jones, asking for 10 millions and then even admitting he didn't think he could win

Benns biggest payday at that time was the 1m he got in Eubank II. Jones biggest payday was around 2m+ he got fighting Toney, how on earth is he going to ask for 10m from Jones? Jones biggest fight at that time was the Toney-Jones fight and the purse total was 6m. It didnt matter whether he thought he could win or not, even his mangaer said he didnt think he could win, but he still wanted the fight. He took 0.75m to fight McClellan but now his turning down millions to fight Jones according to who?You?

yea, eubank turned down an offer saying he's afraid of jones then wants to fight jones when he's washed up and just needs a payday
uhh no

Eubank in his autobiography said that he was afraid of Benn as well but that didnt stop him from fighting him twice. He said himself in his autobiography that a fight with Jones's would be a war which would most probably shave years of his boxing career. The guy fought Benn*2, Watson*2, Collins*2, Rochianngi (in Germany), Calzaghe on two weeks notice and the WBO CW champ Carl Thompson*2 and you are telling me that fear would make him turn down millions especially when his in debt?
It doesn't matter anyway, was he offered a mega payday in 96 or not?

[SplitSecond]

ok, look at it this way, at 168, it was widely known that the competition had run out on jones, we got video proof of HBO announcing steve collins and frankie liles turning down big money offers to fight jones, we have video proof of jones answering his critics saying he offered nigel benn and chris eubank big money offers which they turned down


DO YOU HAVE ANY PROOF OF ANY OF THESE FIGHTERS SAYING THIS IS'NT TRUE?
WHY WAS IT CONSTANTLY BEING SAID THAT JONES HAS NO ONE TO FIGHT

jones became reluctant roy at lightheavyweight, and the only reason for that is because of him saying he'd fight this and that heavyweight, and it'd never happen

that should end all of yoru arguements right there