Prime Roy Jones beats every LHW in history

[StarshipTrooper]

i wish i could see more of the guy

Yeah, me too. I've got:

Charles - Bivins IV
Charles - Holman II
Charles - Louis
Charles - Layne III
Charles - Satterfield
Charles - Wallace
Charles - Walcott I
Charles - Walcott II
Walcott - Charles III
Walcott - Charles IV
Marciano - Charles I
Marciano - Charles II

I'd love to find more

Poet

[BattlingNelson]

Prime Jones had a solid chin, if not better. You don't go 50 fights without taking some big shots.

That's true to some extent. The opponents he faced wasn't really big punchers though. We do know that he got KTFO by boxers not famed for their punch, as he got older.

What would have happened had he faced some of the guys he avoided in favour of Pazienza and others?

[Oasis_Lad]

Oh dear, 18 seriously deluded people.

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That's true to some extent. The opponents he faced wasn't really big punchers though. We do know that he got KTFO by boxers not famed for their punch, as he got older.

What would have happened had he faced some of the guys he avoided in favour of Pazienza and others?

Who did Jones avoid in 1995?

[BattlingNelson]

Who did Jones avoid in 1995?

I made the post below to show who Jones didn't fight:

No need to flame here on the historyboard noob. You can do that on NSB all day if you feel like it.

The list i posted is researched in the sense that it's a list of all the ranked supermiddleweights Roy DIDN'T fight when he was fighting there + the obvious in Michalszevski.

Jones was in essense fighting in the 168 lb division from 1993 until 1996.

Keys:

RED = Eventually fought them or fought them already
BLUE = Fought them in that year.

The year end rankings of 1992 looked like this:

1: Michael Nunn
2: Iran Barkley
3: Chris Eubank
4: Victor Cordoba
5: Nigel Benn
6: Tim Littles
7: Darrin Van Horn
8: Tony Thornton
9: Frankie Liles
10: Frank Nicotra

He fought Thornton in 1995.

1993:

1: James Toney
2: Michael Nunn
3: Chris Eubank
4: Nigel Benn
5: Tim Littles
6: Darrin Van Horn
7: Frankie Liles
8: Tony Thornton
9: Antoine Byrd
10: Vincenzo Nardiello


1994: Jones enters the list at no. 1 after beating Toney.

1: Roy Jones Jr.
2: Nigel Benn
3: Chris Eubank
4: Frankie Liles
5: Vinny Pazienza
6: Tim Littles
7: Michael Nunn
8: Ray Close
9: Graciano Rocchigiani
10: Antoine Byrd


1995:

1: Roy Jones Jr.
2: Nigel Benn
3: Steve Collins
4: Frankie Liles
5: Tim Littles
6: Vinny Pazienza
7: Bryant Brannon
8: Henry Wharton
9: Michael Nunn
10: Ray Close


1996:

1: Roy Jones Jr.
2: Frankie Liles
3: Steve Collins
4: Vinny Pazienza
5: Robin Reid
6: Henry Wharton
7: Michael Nunn
8: Vincenzo Nardiello
9: Joseph Kiwanuka
10: Thulani Malinga

At the end of 1996 Jones had moved up.

So Jones work after 4 years at 168 lb consist of an excellent win over Toney and not much else:

Toney
Thornton
Pazienza (LOL)
Byrd
Brannon

Jones never fought a top 3 opponent after Toney. He had 6 fights at 168 after beating him. Of those fights he beat an unranked Thornton, a suspected juiced lightweight in Pazienza, a past it Byrd, a never was in Sosa, a young non-threat in Lucas and a veteran of 16 fights in Brannon.


So the deserving fighters Jones didn't fight (or ducked .....) is these guys:

Nunn
Benn
Eubank
Collins
Barkley
Cordoba
Littles
Van Horn
Liles
Nardiello
Close
Rocchigianni
Nicotra


Let's face it. A Nunn or a Benn or a Eubank or a Liles or even a Collins would have been real nice.

[General Zod]

I made the post below to show who Jones didn't fight:

Jones low balled Nunn so that fight didn't happen, not sure what happened with Liles, I heard it was either due to Liles being signed with King or Jones not being interested. Im confused on what actually happened with a Benn fight, Benn was up for it. Eubank had no interest in unifying the belts As for Collins well what can I say.

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I made the post below to show who Jones didn't fight:

To avoid or duck something it has to be coming at you. Who of those was going after Jones?

[BattlingNelson]

To avoid or duck something it has to be coming at you. Who of those was going after Jones?

My guess would be that all of them wanted a shot at Jones at a reasonable purse.

[BennyST]

Hill was a LHW and went on to get a CW belt as well.. Griffin, ANTONIO TARVER.. JOHN RUIZ... who was, clearly ABOVE LHW.

And even in your argument, you say these guys didn't hit harder than the fighters he fought... yet how does that prove what Roy could or couldn't take in his prime?

Was he ever hurt, rocked, stunned wobbled in his prime? NO... So where is your evidence he didn't have the chin to go along with his capabilities?

Clearly being outweighed by 30lbs and getting hit FLUSH by a LEGIT prime heavyweight is more proof of him having a chin, then you suggesting he didn't.

Lou De Valle put him down and hurt him real bad. He was just a **** fighter that couldn't do anything about it. Or was that not in his prime?

Anyway, I don't think Jones' chin was bad at all. He did though have a sweet spot that if hit, he was going down. He just never got hit there during his prime apart from by De Valle. Yes, many fighters go through their whole career without getting hit there, or get hit once and go down.

It is only about whether you get hit on a certain spot. Jones was good enough to rarely get hit on that spot until he had slowed a bit. I personally don't think it had to do with his weight drain stuff. He was probably going to get tagged there whether or not he was drained.

If those punches landed (Johnson, Tarver, Green) landed on Jones in his prime I'm positive he would have had the same trouble with them that he did later. He may have gotten out of that trouble in Green's case and would have gone on to win, but the others? I don't think so.

[THE REED]

Lou De Valle put him down and hurt him real bad. He was just a **** fighter that couldn't do anything about it. Or was that not in his prime?

Roy got knocked down, he got right back up, smiled... and continued to go after del valle for the rest of the fight. I never said he hadn't been knocked down... but he was not rocked, or wobbling all around like in the Danny Green fight.. Roy was just a **** fighter?