Top 10 heavyweights from diffirent era's

[GJC]

No Larry Middleton in the 70s ?

You seriously rate Middleton top 10 or near in the 70's Sonny??

[mickey malone]

Earnie Shavers,Ron Lyle and Mac foster........three men who frazier wanted nothing to do with and Quarry took them all apart.





Other than Nikolai Valuev,who has David Haye beaten to deserve such a ranking?





Trevor berbick beat an undefeated Pinklon Thomas and an undefeated Greg Page.

Quarry's a tricky one because his best years were between 1965 and 1975, putting him right in the middle of 2 eras..
Between 65-70, he drew & won with Patterson, beat Buster Mathis, Brian London & Thad Spencer, but lost to Eddie Machen, George Chuvalo and Jimmy Ellis..
He also lost for the first time to Joe Frazier, but i'd say gave him a much tougher fight than he did in the 70's return..
Lyle, Foster and Shavers were impressive wins, but in my opinion Jerry was at his sharpest beween 67-70, and like other great contenders, Langford & Wills, maybe I should have listed Quarry in 2 eras.. I don't think he'd be be unworthy of it..

With regard to Haye, you've answered a question with a question..
When you say, 'Other than Nicolai Valuev' - Do you mean the limited, but massively awkward, 23 stone, 7'2" two-time world champion, who'd only been beaten once in over 10 years?
If so, you have to ask yourself, 'Who else could have beaten him?'... Possibly Povetkin, Arreola, Thompson, Chambers, but doubtful.. Only the Klit's come to mind..
Haye's the best thing to happen in that era and possesses skills not seen in the division for a long time & depending on longevity, could go a lot higher than no8 in the next era.. Ok, I may have stuck my neck out with regard to the lack of named opponents on his record, but it's plain & obvious to me, that with the exception of 'maybe' the Klits, Chambers or Povetkin, that Haye's currently one of the best out there..

As for Berbick, he's no11 for me.. I may have forgotten about the win over Page, but other than that, Trev sent me to sleep on more than one occasion..
I also thought he showed a total lack of class, when accepting the Ali fight, and this may have just slightly clouded my judgement on his boxing ability.. But these are 'my' ratings, and i'll profess to never particularly liking him, neither as a person or a fighter..

[sonnyboyx2]

Quarry's a tricky one because his best years were between 1965 and 1975, putting him right in the middle of 2 eras..
Between 65-70, he drew & won with Patterson, beat Buster Mathis, Brian London & Thad Spencer, but lost to Eddie Machen, George Chuvalo and Jimmy Ellis..
He also lost for the first time to Joe Frazier, but i'd say gave him a much tougher fight than he did in the 70's return..
Lyle, Foster and Shavers were impressive wins, but in my opinion Jerry was at his sharpest beween 67-70, and like other great contenders, Langford & Wills, maybe I should have listed Quarry in 2 eras.. I don't think he'd be be unworthy of it..

With regard to Haye, you've answered a question with a question..
When you say, 'Other than Nicolai Valuev' - Do you mean the limited, but massively awkward, 23 stone, 7'2" two-time world champion, who'd only been beaten once in over 10 years?
If so, you have to ask yourself, 'Who else could have beaten him?'... Possibly Povetkin, Arreola, Thompson, Chambers, but doubtful.. Only the Klit's come to mind..
Haye's the best thing to happen in that era and possesses skills not seen in the division for a long time & depending on longevity, could go a lot higher than no8 in the next era.. Ok, I may have stuck my neck out with regard to the lack of named opponents on his record, but it's plain & obvious to me, that with the exception of 'maybe' the Klits, Chambers or Povetkin, that Haye's currently one of the best out there..

As for Berbick, he's no11 for me.. I may have forgotten about the win over Page, but other than that, Trev sent me to sleep on more than one occasion..
I also thought he showed a total lack of class, when accepting the Ali fight, and this may have just slightly clouded my judgement on his boxing ability.. But these are 'my' ratings, and i'll profess to never particularly liking him, neither as a person or a fighter..

good response to the questions.... However , what pole are you on about which says Lewis was the No1 fighter of the 1990s?

Trevor Berbick achieved far far more than David Tua did

you asked who is going to beat David Haye... John Ruiz will KO him if Haye has the bottle to fight him

[sonnyboyx2]

You seriously rate Middleton top 10 or near in the 70's Sonny??

http://myboxingfans.com/2009/12/larry-%E2%80%9Chard-luck%E2%80%9D-middleton/

[mickey malone]

good response to the questions.... However , what pole are you on about which says Lewis was the No1 fighter of the 1990s?

Trevor Berbick achieved far far more than David Tua did

you asked who is going to beat David Haye... John Ruiz will KO him if Haye has the bottle to fight him

What i'm saying is; if you were to conduct a pole on this site or any other boxing forum, asking the question: 'Who was the best HW of the 90's?'
I'd be totally dumbfounded, if Lewis didn't come out on top..

Correct.. Berbick did achieve more than Tua, but that doesn't mean to say that Tua wouldn't KO him..
1980-1985, during which time Berbick produced his best performances, and saw Larry Holmes as the dominant WBC champ, while Dokes, Weaver, Coetzee, Witherspoon, Thomas, Tubbs, Page, Smith and Berbick, all played 'pass the parcel' with the WBA strap.. Now, if you were to throw a prime David Tua into that mix, i'd be very surprised if he didn't get at least one share of the spoils..

Ruiz KO Haye!... Well, we'll just have to wait and see.. A few years ago, maybe.. But John's old & ring worn now.. He didn't look at all good in his last fight, and i'm contented in the opinion that Haye will be a bit too much of 'everything' for him..

[sonnyboyx2]

What i'm saying is; if you were to conduct a pole on this site or any other boxing forum, asking the question: 'Who was the best HW of the 90's?'
I'd be totally dumbfounded, if Lewis didn't come out on top..

Correct.. Berbick did achieve more than Tua, but that doesn't mean to say that Tua wouldn't KO him..
1980-1985, during which time Berbick produced his best performances, and saw Larry Holmes as the dominant WBC champ, while Dokes, Weaver, Coetzee, Witherspoon, Thomas, Tubbs, Page, Smith and Berbick, all played 'pass the parcel' with the WBA strap.. Now, if you were to throw a prime David Tua into that mix, i'd be very surprised if he didn't get at least one share of the spoils..

Ruiz KO Haye!... Well, we'll just have to wait and see.. A few years ago, maybe.. But John's old & ring worn now.. He didn't look at all good in his last fight, and i'm contented in the opinion that Haye will be a bit too much of 'everything' for him..

Mickey i disagree mate... other than his loss to Roy Jones, Ruiz should be undefeated in the last 10yrs he has been `robbed` of a couple of very dubious decisions.. His last fight he looked very impressive and i for one feel that David Haye will look to avoid Ruiz as his last performance makes him a big favourite to beat Haye..

i honestly dont see David Tua beating those ex champions you listed, Tua failed everytime he fought an opponent who was above class C... now whatever you may think of Dokes, Weaver, Coetzee, Witherspoon, Thomas, Tubbs, Page, Smith you have to admit that all of them are far more experienced at championship level boxing than David Tua, all of them know how to handle themselves in the ring, and all of them are very big strong punching fighters... IMO they all beat David Tua quite easily.

a pole on a boxing forum is quite meaningless and in no way does Lewis belomg as the best fighter of the 1990s in fact IMO he would not make the Top 3 of that era.. poleaxed twice by journeymen, a dubious decision over Mercer, an unlucky draw then another dubious win over an old Holyfield and a couple of disqualification wins dont make him the best of an era

[Schmerzen]

a pole on a boxing forum is quite meaningless and in no way does Lewis belomg as the best fighter of the 1990s in fact IMO he would not make the Top 5 of that era.. poleaxed twice by journeymen, a dubious decision over Mercer, an unlucky draw then another dubious win over an old Holyfield and a couple of disqualification wins dont make him the best of an era

oliver mccall was not a journeymen.
i think lennox beat mercer in a close fight.
and hasim rahman got hiss ass kicked in the rematch and proved he just had a lucky day in the first fight.
he even himself admitted that after the fight if i remember right.
over all i dont see why lennox isnt #1 heavyweight of the 90s, he beat anyone he faced..
even when i still think mccall would have whooped him in the rematch again if he wasnt on drugs , but its his own fault

[sonnyboyx2]

oliver mccall was not a journeymen.
i think lennox beat mercer in a close fight.
and hasim rahman got hiss ass kicked in the rematch and proved he just had a lucky day in the first fight.
he even himself admitted that after the fight if i remember right.
over all i dont see why lennox isnt #1 heavyweight of the 90s, he beat anyone he faced..
even when i still think mccall would have whooped him in the rematch again if he wasnt on drugs , but its his own fault

wasn`t McCall a sparring partner for Mike Tyson? didnt Bruno beat him?.. also got beaten by Buster Douglas & Mike Hunter..that in my opinion makes him a journeyman fighter.

If Rahman just had a lucky day then so did Johansson against Patterson & Norton against Ali & Spinks against Ali..

you say you dont see why Lewis isnt No1 for the 90s coz he beat everyone he faced.... did he face the top fighters who was belt holders of that era.. Holmes, Foreman, Bowe, Moorer, Hide, Sanders, Wlad, Tyson, Ruiz, Byrd, Jones Jr. ?
the answer is NO.... Lewis only fought tomato cans and limited exposed fighters who was on the downside of their career....Evander Holyfield fought 13 fights with the fighters listed above who held belts during the 1990s you can also throw-in 2 fights he had with Lewis.

[mickey malone]

Mickey i disagree mate... other than his loss to Roy Jones, Ruiz should be undefeated in the last 10yrs he has been `robbed` of a couple of very dubious decisions.. His last fight he looked very impressive and i for one feel that David Haye will look to avoid Ruiz as his last performance makes him a big favourite to beat Haye..

i honestly dont see David Tua beating those ex champions you listed, Tua failed everytime he fought an opponent who was above class C... now whatever you may think of Dokes, Weaver, Coetzee, Witherspoon, Thomas, Tubbs, Page, Smith you have to admit that all of them are far more experienced at championship level boxing than David Tua, all of them know how to handle themselves in the ring, and all of them are very big strong punching fighters... IMO they all beat David Tua quite easily.

a pole on a boxing forum is quite meaningless and in no way does Lewis belomg as the best fighter of the 1990s in fact IMO he would not make the Top 5 of that era.. poleaxed twice by journeymen, a dubious decision over Mercer, an unlucky draw then another dubious win over an old Holyfield and a couple of disqualification wins dont make him the best of an era

You're welcome to disagree with me, but that won't stop me quoting the facts..

Ruiz's last fight, was against a 5'11" Turkish journeyman with a record of 19-10-1 who'd lost 7 of his last 13 with 5 by KO.. Enough to put anyone off, I bet Haye's quaking in his boots..
During the last 10 years, Ruiz has been beaten 5 times.. By Holyfield, Chagaev, Jones, Valuev twice and arguably by James Toney too.. I know you think he may have been robbed in most of these, but lets face it, all of his fights are so desperate, even the judges don't like him, so what chance does an over the hill Ruiz, stand agaist Haye?

Slim and None, and I know who's just left town..

David Tua has more experience with more success at world level than some of the WBA champions from the 80's

KO'd and Drew with Rahman
KO'd Moorer
KO'd Ruiz
KO'd Maskaev
KO'd Daniels
KO'd Izon
KO'd Nicholson
KO'd Oquendo
Lost DC Lewis
Lost DC Byrd
Lost DC Ibeabuchi

That's 12 fights at world level, compiling a record of 8-3-1 (8 KO) 5 of those KO's coming against former titlists..

And as for Lewis not making the top 5 during the 90's.. Well, I despair, so i'll just sit back and let everyone else disagree with you instead..

[sonnyboyx2]

You're welcome to disagree with me, but that won't stop me quoting the facts..

Ruiz's last fight, was against a 5'11" Turkish journeyman with a record of 19-10-1 who'd lost 7 of his last 13 with 5 by KO.. Enough to put anyone off, I bet Haye's quaking in his boots..
During the last 10 years, Ruiz has been beaten 5 times.. By Holyfield, Chagaev, Jones, Valuev twice and arguably by James Toney too.. I know you think he may have been robbed in most of these, but lets face it, all of his fights are so desperate, even the judges don't like him, so what chance does an over the hill Ruiz, stand agaist Haye?

Slim and None, and I know who's just left town..

David Tua has more experience with more success at world level than some of the WBA champions from the 80's

KO'd and Drew with Rahman
KO'd Moorer
KO'd Ruiz
KO'd Maskaev
KO'd Daniels
KO'd Izon
KO'd Nicholson
KO'd Oquendo
Lost DC Lewis
Lost DC Byrd
Lost DC Ibeabuchi

That's 12 fights at world level, compiling a record of 8-3-1 (8 KO) 5 of those KO's coming against former titlists..

And as for Lewis not making the top 5 during the 90's.. Well, I despair, so i'll just sit back and let everyone else disagree with you instead..

Mickey did you watch Ruiz last fight?

i think you are having a bit of a laugh with your David Tua quotes... who are those guys you have listed as being World Class opponents,"Izon, Daniels, Nicholson, Oquendo" ?.... Maskaev had been hammered by Oliver McCall in a single round, Moorer was at the tail-end of his career... which leaves John Ruiz who was still only a novice fighter when Tua caught him with the first punch of the fight for a 1rd KO... sorry that does not make David Tua a more experienced fighter with more success than the former champions you listed earlier... Tua was a Class C fighter who each time he fought a fighter rated above Class C he was beaten...