Top 10 heavyweights from diffirent era's

[StarshipTrooper]

Mickey did you watch Ruiz last fight?

i think you are having a bit of a laugh with your David Tua quotes... who are those guys you have listed as being World Class opponents,"Izon, Daniels, Nicholson, Oquendo" ?.... Maskaev had been hammered by Oliver McCall in a single round, Moorer was at the tail-end of his career... which leaves John Ruiz who was still only a novice fighter when Tua caught him with the first punch of the fight for a 1rd KO... sorry that does not make David Tua a more experienced fighter with more success than the former champions you listed earlier... Tua was a Class C fighter who each time he fought a fighter rated above Class C he was beaten...

How are those shock treatments working out for you? Have a nice day!

Poet

[sonnyboyx2]

How are those shock treatments working out for you? Have a nice day!

Poet

Once again the `Village-Idiot`has his ten-pennath on the subject and as always never nothing to do with the sport of boxing, just his typical `ridicule & name calling`like all the rest of his posts... Get a life you sad little midget and stop running up the stairs each time your daddy calls for you when he is hard

[Throwingbombs]

Lennox Lewis is the obvious choice for number one heavyweight in the 90s.

[BKM-]

Lewis also had some big wins in the 2000s. In the 90s he had a terrible fluke loss(in the 2000s as well, though) and sadly he never had a chance to add Bowe on his resume. But Evander was also unfortunate with his health problems or else he could have been the best of the 90s.

[GJC]

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Few names on his record Sonny but he beat Joe Bugner is about it.
Must admit apart from the Bugner fight this guy never really registered on my radar, knew the name but never really remember him as a contender.
Chuck Gardner fought a fair few names too

[sultanisking]

Ibragimov should be there

[DeepSleep]

Mickey i disagree mate... other than his loss to Roy Jones, Ruiz should be undefeated in the last 10yrs he has been `robbed` of a couple of very dubious decisions.. His last fight he looked very impressive and i for one feel that David Haye will look to avoid Ruiz as his last performance makes him a big favourite to beat Haye..

i honestly dont see David Tua beating those ex champions you listed, Tua failed everytime he fought an opponent who was above class C... now whatever you may think of Dokes, Weaver, Coetzee, Witherspoon, Thomas, Tubbs, Page, Smith you have to admit that all of them are far more experienced at championship level boxing than David Tua, all of them know how to handle themselves in the ring, and all of them are very big strong punching fighters... IMO they all beat David Tua quite easily.

a pole on a boxing forum is quite meaningless and in no way does Lewis belomg as the best fighter of the 1990s in fact IMO he would not make the Top 5 of that era.. poleaxed twice by journeymen, a dubious decision over Mercer, an unlucky draw then another dubious win over an old Holyfield and a couple of disqualification wins dont make him the best of an era

Which five heaveweights would you have over Lewis?

For comparison purposes I'll list some of the popular choices and their records in the 90's.

Lewis: 31 - 1 - 1

Notable Wins: Holyfield, Briggs, Golota, Mercer, Morrison, Bruno, Tucker Ruddock, McCall

Losses: McCall(Avenged)

Holyfield: 13 - 4 - 1

Notable Wins: Douglas, Foreman, Holmes, Bowe, Mercer, Tyson x2 , Moorer

Losses: Bowe(Avenged), Moorer(Avenged), Lewis

Bowe: 26 - 1

Notable Wins: Holyfield x2, Dokes, Golota x2
Losses: Holyfield(Avenged)

Tyson: 9 - 3

Notable Wins: Ruddock x2, Bruno,
Losses: Douglas, Holyfield

Foreman: 12 - 3

Notable Wins: Moorer
Losses: Briggs, Morrison, Holyfield

Moorer: 17 - 2 (Only HW fights included)

Notable Wins: Holyfield
Losses: Holyfield(2nd Fight), Foreman

Mercer: 14 - 4 - 1

Notable Wins: Morrison, Witherspoon
Losses: Lewis, Holyfield, Ferguson, Holmes

Morrison: 21 - 3 - 1

Notable Wins: Foreman, Ruddock
Losses: Mercer, Bentt, Lewis

Tua : 35 - 1

Notable Wins: Ruiz, Maskaev, Rahman
Losses: Ibeabuchi

Ibeabuchi: 20 - 0

Notable Wins: Tua, Byrd
Losses: None

Take note this is the nineties, so any fights after 12-31-1999 are not counted in this. Whether or not you think Lewis is #1 is up for debate but saying he isn't top 5 looks like a losing argument. Outside of Holyfield and Bowe I don't think there is anyone remotely close to Lewis.

[mickey malone]

Mickey did you watch Ruiz last fight?

i think you are having a bit of a laugh with your David Tua quotes... who are those guys you have listed as being World Class opponents,"Izon, Daniels, Nicholson, Oquendo" ?.... Maskaev had been hammered by Oliver McCall in a single round, Moorer was at the tail-end of his career... which leaves John Ruiz who was still only a novice fighter when Tua caught him with the first punch of the fight for a 1rd KO... sorry that does not make David Tua a more experienced fighter with more success than the former champions you listed earlier... Tua was a Class C fighter who each time he fought a fighter rated above Class C he was beaten...

Yes, I did, and he made hard work out of beating (to coin one of your phrases) a typical 'Class C' fighter.. His name was Adnan Serin, not even the best HW in Turkey, who had been dispatched cleanly and quickly in previous outings, by Tony Thompson and Danny Williams.. In fact, he'd lost his last 3, & against Ruiz, the towell came in during the 7th because John could only rough him up as opposed to put him away..
Moorer, Lewis, Rahman, Maskaev, Byrd, Ibeabuchi were always Class A fighters, and apart from Ike, all won versions of the title to prove it..
Sullivan, Oquendo, Nicholson, Daniels, Izon were all contenders with healthy records and should be classed at the higher end of Class B..
Witherspoon, Page, Tubbs, Thomas, Coetzee, Dokes, Weaver and Berbick were all brutally knocked out during their careers, something that has never even come close to happening with Tua.. Despite engaging 7 world champs, when have you ever seen Tua in serious trouble?.. The answer is NEVER
When you say, 'Each time he fought a fighter rated above Class C he was beaten,' You're talking about 3 points decisions in 17 years and 54 fights, including one against Ibeabuchi that was desperately close & could have gone either way: and now you're infering that Moorer & Ruiz were at that time in their careers; Class C, when Tua became the one and only man to isolate both of them in 1 round a piece..

Really Sonnyboy; You can't go on like this, and expect to be taken seriously..

[sonnyboyx2]

Yes, I did, and he made hard work out of beating (to coin one of your phrases) a typical 'Class C' fighter.. His name was Adnan Serin, not even the best HW in Turkey, who had been dispatched cleanly and quickly in previous outings, by Tony Thompson and Danny Williams.. In fact, he'd lost his last 3, & against Ruiz, the towell came in during the 7th because John could only rough him up as opposed to put him away..
Moorer, Lewis, Rahman, Maskaev, Byrd, Ibeabuchi were always Class A fighters, and apart from Ike, all won versions of the title to prove it..
Sullivan, Oquendo, Nicholson, Daniels, Izon were all contenders with healthy records and should be classed at the higher end of Class B..
Witherspoon, Page, Tubbs, Thomas, Coetzee, Dokes, Weaver and Berbick were all brutally knocked out during their careers, something that has never even come close to happening with Tua.. Despite engaging 7 world champs, when have you ever seen Tua in serious trouble?.. The answer is NEVER
When you say, 'Each time he fought a fighter rated above Class C he was beaten,' You're talking about 3 points decisions in 17 years and 54 fights, including one against Ibeabuchi that was desperately close & could have gone either way: and now you're infering that Moorer & Ruiz were at that time in their careers; Class C, when Tua became the one and only man to isolate both of them in 1 round a piece..

Really Sonnyboy; You can't go on like this, and expect to be taken seriously..

Mickey.. being knocked out does not place you below a guy who has not been KOd... Ezzard Charles, Sonny Liston, Floyd Patterson, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson etc etc was all KOd but David Tua is nowhere near as good as those... the difference with Tua & Witherspoon, Page, Tubbs, Thomas, Coetzee, Dokes, Weaver and Berbick is that those fighters won a world title at the top level where as Tua failed at the top level losing every round to Chris Byrd and virtually every round to Lennox Lewis... David Tua will always be remembered as "The Fattest man to ever fight for the Title"

As for John Ruiz vs David Haye... i will get back to you nearer the fight (should it happen) and we can have a little wager of some kind.

[JAB5239]

Mickey.. being knocked out does not place you below a guy who has not been KOd... Ezzard Charles, Sonny Liston, Floyd Patterson, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson etc etc was all KOd but David Tua is nowhere near as good as those... the difference with Tua & Witherspoon, Page, Tubbs, Thomas, Coetzee, Dokes, Weaver and Berbick is that those fighters won a world title at the top level where as Tua failed at the top level losing every round to Chris Byrd and virtually every round to Lennox Lewis... David Tua will always be remembered as "The Fattest man to ever fight for the Title"

As for John Ruiz vs David Haye... i will get back to you nearer the fight (should it happen) and we can have a little wager of some kind.

I'd actually say Buster Mathis and Tony Galento have more a claim to that title, but thats just me.