Look at the physical shape the heavyweights were in during the 70's

[Suckmedry]

I could care less about Volodymyr, whoever the hell he is. Are you trying to spell Wladimir, lol? I've seen Sultan fight a half dozen times or so and I can tell you for a fact that he would get murdered by the top heavyweights of the past. Wlad was the only fighter he fought that was decent and not shot, and Sultan had his worst performance by far. It was so bad that he hasn't fought since.

You tell him Jab

[them_apples]

I'd like to see them both pumping out 80 punches per round. It's easy to throw 80 punches at a punching bag, but slipping, moving and eating leather back is an entirely different story.

either way, it's BS, no heavyweight today has that kind of Workmate. lol

A lot of them are chinny to and can't go 12 rounds.

[Mikhnienko]

perhaps you should take your own advice and



unless you have some kind of proof that says otherwise? as ive found alot of stuff that says he dosnt average much more then 50-60 a round. as well as many other counts for other heavy weights showing not much more then 50-60 per round.

Well vs Arreola and Johnson a 38 yr old Vitali averaged 80+ punches a round.

I'm not here to debate the exact number of fights where fighter X has throw 80 punches, but where you got this idea that Ali, Foreman, Norton etc threw 70+ punches for all 15 rounds is beyond me.

I could care less about Volodymyr, whoever the hell he is. Are you trying to spell Wladimir, lol? I've seen Sultan fight a half dozen times or so and I can tell you for a fact that he would get murdered by the top heavyweights of the past. Wlad was the only fighter he fought that was decent and not shot, and Sultan had his worst performance by far. It was so bad that he hasn't fought since.

I could already tell by your point of view on fighters but this certainly confirms that you're an American.

Volodymyr (Володимир) is Ukrainian
Wladimir is a German spelling of his Ukrainian name, the W pronounced as a V would be a pretty telling sign, if you weren't oblivious.

You tell him Jab

re-read above genius

I'm not trying to say that Ibragimov would work over Foreman in a fight, but your claim that Vitali, Volodymyr, Povetkin etc are out of shape in comparison is absurd. Although this thread is probably 95% Americans so what else should i expect

[JAB5239]

Well vs Arreola and Johnson a 38 yr old Vitali averaged 80+ punches a round.

I think we can all agree both Arreola and Johnson are a far cry from the top fighters of the 70's in both skills and endurance.

I'm not here to debate the exact number of fights where fighter X has throw 80 punches, but where you got this idea that Ali, Foreman, Norton etc threw 70+ punches for all 15 rounds is beyond me.

I don't recall anybody saying they did. But outside of Foreman all could apply and withstand pressure for 15 rounds against other skilled fighters. Can you honestly tell me Vitaly wasn't gassed against Lewis after what, 6 rounds? Thats really the only top notch fighter he fought and Lennox was out of shape himself. It was the only war he was in and he was exhausted. I just can't see where you would get the idea that his stamina is comparable to top fighters from other era's who fought 15 hard rounds against other skilled fighters.

I could already tell by your point of view on fighters but this certainly confirms that you're an American.

And what would that have to do with anything? Im as objective as they come, I just call it like I see it.

Volodymyr (Володимир) is Ukrainian
Wladimir is a German spelling of his Ukrainian name, the W pronounced as a V would be a pretty telling sign, if you weren't oblivious.

I appreciate the language lesson, but to the entire world its spelled Wladimir.

re-read above genius

I'm not trying to say that Ibragimov would work over Foreman in a fight, but your claim that Vitali, Volodymyr, Povetkin etc are out of shape in comparison is absurd. Although this thread is probably 95% Americans so what else should i expect

How is absurd when they fight guys who are sucking wing themselves after 5 or 6 rounds. Who are the fighters they fought who were skilled and in shape? Lewis? Sam Peter? Ray Austin? Who? Wlad gassed against Puritty, Brewster and was holding on for dear life against Peter. Im sorry but nobody is gonna confuse those guys with top fighters from better era's. Povetkin hasn't fought anybody and I've already gone over Vitaly. What exactly are you basing your argument on?

[dog1dog2]

there's no excuse for showing up looking like arreola, but there's always been heavyweights in imperfect shape. i remember wepner looked blubbery as hell against ali. joe frazier never came close to a six pack. you could tell when joe bobbed under a punch he had a little meat on him. tim witherspoon and tony tubbs never looked great from what i remember. same with ray mercer. tommy morrison always had moobs. lennox lewis got pretty soft in his late 20s, early 30s. larry holmes had a good bit of fat on him in his early 30s. the klitschkos will never get credit because of a few fat guys in their division and it's pretty ridiculous.

Not exactly what point you were trying to make here....seems like you inadvertently countered your own point and solidified what the OP was driving at:

Joe Frazier- Maybe not shredded, but usually more or less pretty svelte.
Tim Witherspoon- Fought exactly 1 fight in the "70's"- at a trim 197.
Tony Tubbs- Did not fight professionally in the 70's
Ray Mercer- Did not fight professionally in the 70's
Tommy Morrison- Did not fight professionally in the 70's
Lennox Lewis- Did not fight professionally in the 70's
Larry Holmes- Was clearly in his best shape during the 70's

[Mikhnienko]

How is absurd when they fight guys who are sucking wing themselves after 5 or 6 rounds. Who are the fighters they fought who were skilled and in shape? Lewis? Sam Peter? Ray Austin? Who? Wlad gassed against Puritty, Brewster and was holding on for dear life against Peter. Im sorry but nobody is gonna confuse those guys with top fighters from better era's. Povetkin hasn't fought anybody and I've already gone over Vitaly. What exactly are you basing your argument on?

Absurd argument?

Using your logic then, any amateur fighter used to 3 or 4 rounds would never be able to compete against a pro and is inferior due to their lesser conditioning.

Clearly not the case, They improve their conditioning and adapt.

Following that same train of thought i guess that the 70's era of god like fighters are extremely inferior to the guys who fought 1890's - 1920. Since guys like Fitz, Ketchel, Choynski, Jeanette, etc who fought 20, 30, 40 rounds must undoubtedly be better, right?

Would you automatically write off Toney, Jones, Mcclellan, from being able to compete against Monzon or Hagler since they only have experience going 12 rounds?

You get my point......

[StarshipTrooper]

Absurd argument?

Using your logic then, any amateur fighter used to 3 or 4 rounds would never be able to compete against a pro and is inferior due to their lesser conditioning.

Clearly not the case, They improve their conditioning and adapt.

Following that same train of thought i guess that the 70's era of god like fighters are extremely inferior to the guys who fought 1890's - 1920. Since guys like Fitz, Ketchel, Choynski, Jeanette, etc who fought 20, 30, 40 rounds must undoubtedly be better, right?

Would you automatically write off Toney, Jones, Mcclellan, from being able to compete against Monzon or Hagler since they only have experience going 12 rounds?

You get my point......

Completely missing the point. Regardless of whether they're accustomed to going 15 or 12 rounds they're STILL sucking air after 5 or 6 rounds let alone 12. If they're gassing inside the 12 round limit they're schedualed for what makes you think they're going to do better in an even longer fight?

Poet

[JAB5239]

Completely missing the point. Regardless of whether they're accustomed to going 15 or 12 rounds they're STILL sucking air after 5 or 6 rounds let alone 12. If they're gassing inside the 12 round limit they're schedualed for what makes you think they're going to do better in an even longer fight?

Poet

Thank you, this is exactly what I was talking about. He knows it too, he just can't bare to admit it.