Hagler vs. Leonard!!

[andrewcuff]

Antuofermo was European Light-Middleweight champion when Britains Maurice Hope poleaxed him in the last round he then moved up in weight to campaign at 160lbs

Hagler was floored by a left-hook from Roldan and took a standing 8 count when he got to his feet.

Thomas Hearns smashed Haglers face open in the opening round with his punches, he broke his famous right-hand and must have been in tremendous pain the next 2 round.. whats to say if he had not broken his hand that he would not have KOd Hagler? he KOd Roberto Duran!

so IMO its you who is the dunce talking drivel.

And? Hagler challenged Antuofermo for his MW crown. You can hardly say that is picking on the smaller man. What was he to do? Not fight him?

Uhh...the point is, he caught Hagler with his best punch and broke his hand on Hagler's head. And Hagler walked through it. Marvin had a thicker skull than average, hence the broken hand.

The Roldan knockdown is a joke. You only need to see Hagler's reaction to it. A man who walks through the best Hearns and Mugabi can throw does not get knocked down by a Roldan.

[GoogleMe]

Leonard +1 round.

[StarshipTrooper]

very true my friend, i know you know your stuff- cheers!

So this is what Sonnyboyx has been reduced to: Hobnobbing with Slimey Poophead and parroting his lines; being a contrary douche just for the sake of bing a contrary douche. Is he just a wee bit bitter because no one else wants to jump on his "hate Lennox" bandwagon?

Poet

[BritishBoxing92]

hard for me to say...hagler was way good at the beginning but then lenord stole rounds which was very entertaining

[mrbigshot]

hagler should of won,i saw the fight again last night with a couple of friends,we ordered 2 large pizzas with pepperoni,double cheese,olives[black]and anchovies,we washed the beer down with a couple of beers[bud]and the fight though it was filled with action it cleary shows that hagler won every round but the first and fifth,i had it ten rounds to two for hagler,

that just shows how irrelevant your opinion on boxingscene is valued because u talk absolute ****

you are what british people call a w@nker

i had leonard throwing more punches but hagler doing more damage!!! but because u have to judge the fight on a round by round basic i had it 7 rounds to 5 for leonard i think is flashy cominbations stole the fight but i do agree with some posters that hagler allowed leonard to dictate the fight and he stubbornly boxed orthodox for like 6 rounds when he turned south paw he had more successful

this version of leonard did not beat hagler, hagler beat himself but thats just my opinion!!

p.s i dont believe hagler was over rated, he was an excellent switch hitting boxer who was pretty cautionious early on in his career but once he got robbed in is first title shot he turned more aggressive i dont believe hagler was the best middleweight ever but is record dont lie he had power speed a rock solid chin and a high punch output i do believe if a prime leonard met a prime hagler then leonard would of UD him.

[krispy kreme]

I think Leonard won the early rounds pretty clearly, but Hagler came on stronger as the fight went on. Leonard boxed pretty well and remained flashy, and fought out of the corners when Hagler pinned him- I think the judges like to see that. The score cards were bull****, but I think Leonard won anyways. It could have gone to either man though, Hagler made his punches count more.

[JAB5239]

Antuofermo was European Light-Middleweight champion when Britains Maurice Hope poleaxed him in the last round he then moved up in weight to campaign at 160lbs

Hagler was floored by a left-hook from Roldan and took a standing 8 count when he got to his feet.

Thomas Hearns smashed Haglers face open in the opening round with his punches, he broke his famous right-hand and must have been in tremendous pain the next 2 round.. whats to say if he had not broken his hand that he would not have KOd Hagler? he KOd Roberto Duran!

so IMO its you who is the dunce talking drivel.

Whats to say he would have? Problem wasn't Tommy's hand, it was his chin.

[GJC]

Nobody has ever claimed that Duran was robbed other than Dunce holding the opinion that he felt that Leonard won.The fight has been rewritten by Duran apologists as if it were a virtual shutout.

You do read that people think Leonard won, it wasn't a shutout but it was a clear Duran win.

I do hope you're not suggesting that Duran was winning or deserved to be ahead before he "quit" in their rematch?

No he was a couple of rounds behind, but by the same token it wasn't that fantastic a Leonard performance Duran was just awful.

I didn't see the judges favoring Leonard too highly during the first fight with Hearns,and there were certain rounds in which Hearns took a battering and all three judges opted to score as a simple 10-9.

No I didn't make myself clear I thought that fight was one of the few times the judges wern't in Leonard's corner I personally had him ahead before the TKO

The only gift you could argue that Leonard was ever given,was in his rematch with Hearns and that was only because the knockdowns should have been decisive.Hearns was taking a battering in certain rounds in their rematch also to the point where a 10-8 round was just.

It was a close fight but it has got to be one of the few times that 2 knock downs haven't swung it for a fighter, I thought it was enough to swing the fight to Hearns

[GJC]

i would not call Haglers win over Duran `Handily`Hagler won by 1pt on all judges scorecards, he won it by winning the last round, after the final bell Hagler awaited the decision with his left-eye swollen shut and bleeding from the mouth, he looked over at Duran and Duran shouted to him "You aint no Marvelous".

Like I said earlier I thought Duran put in a great performance and I had quite a bit of money on him, 5-1 you don't pass up. But even through my rose tinted glasses I didn't have Duran ahead with 2 or 3 rounds to go like the judges did.

If you think Hagler `squeeked` the fight then you was not watching the same fight as i watched... Leonard clearly won!

Well I'm not alone, this fight has been argued about for 20 some years. I don't argue with those that hold a different opinion to mine as it was that close. But whatever your view it wasn't a clear win

Juan Roldan floored Hagler...

Don't agree

if Hearns had not broken his famous right-hand in the opening round he would have won via TKO in 3rds.. referee Richard Steele took Hagler over to the ringside doctor at the start of the 3rd such was the injuries Hagler recieved in the 1st round... so it is far from being a `stretch` to claim Hearns would have won via TKO

To which I believe, Hagler told the doctor "I ain't missing him am I?"
I would say that the injury made Hearns go all or nothing whereas he could have out boxed Hagler but no one including Roldan ever knocked Hagler down so you can't arbitrarily decide that Hearns would have. I think Hearns had hit Hagler with his best punches and Hagler kept coming forward.

Mugabi was never Haglers mandatory... Mugabi moved up from Light-middle... Hagler v Leonard was never on the cards unto after the Mugabi fight.

Well he was certainly the number one contender? Hagler had been chasing Leonard for years, the fact that Leonard saw enough slippage in the Mugabi fight to go for the fight is understandable.

No i am not adding Hagler to the Lewis list, Hagler was undisputed champion of the world for 7yrs where as Lewis abregated his responsibilities as undisputed champion by refusing to face the No1 contenders so was stripped of every belt... but if that is the only way you can have a snipe at me, then fire-away!

That did come over as a little harsh for which I apologise, my point was that like with Lewis you have a tendency to play with timelines and turn rumours and opinion into facts.

Dwight Braxton was light-heavyweight champion 1981-83 Marvin Hagler was middleweight champion 1980-87 ... many Ring Magazine, KO magazine & Boxing Monthly fight publications from 81-83 had/have front cover topics of "Will Marvin move up and challenge The Camden Buzzsaw" it was a huge fight that fight-fans wanted to see, but Hagler wanted nothing to do with Braxton, instead he chose to fight Obelmejias (twice) Scypion, Lee, Hamsho, Antuofermo and light-weight Roberto Duran.
Source :-- check Ebay for Ring, KO magazines from 81-83 i am sure you will come across this match-up many times over...

Newspaper talk about potential match ups its not the same as contracts being drawn up or talks between the two camps about a fight.

The way i seen Hagler vs Leonard it was a whupping!... the way ringside reporters like Gil Clancy, Colin Hart & Reg Gutteridge seen it, it was a whupping.

By no stretch can you call this fight clear or a whupping can you?

[GJC]

hagler should of won,i saw the fight again last night with a couple of friends,we ordered 2 large pizzas with pepperoni,double cheese,olives[black]and anchovies,we washed the beer down with a couple of beers[bud]and the fight though it was filled with action it cleary shows that hagler won every round but the first and fifth,i had it ten rounds to two for hagler,

Total nonsense although i'll take your word for the menu.
Maybe half way between your view and sonny's whupping will be about right.