Ali 64 ( Liston1 ) vs Frazier 71

[GJC]

Still, Peak vs. Peak....I'm still taking Ali by decision. Whether it be UD or Split...Ali Wins in my opinion. I think Ali could stay on the outside enough early-mid rounds to gather up some points and continue to do well enough through the rest of the fight to win the fight. Ali would start to tire though like the Chuvalo fight but Ali would still pull it out. Ali would have to worry about the left-hook though when in close and in the exchange. One thing with Frazier, he isn't afraid to throw the left-hook when you are punching...so when Ali is punching in punching distance, Frazier has a chance to catch him.

No i'd agree with that, it will always be some fight though I reckon, they'd put on TFOTY now!

[Sugarj]

It was interesting what GJC was saying earlier about Frazier's prime, he may well have been a touch better in 1969. He looked pretty useful against Quarry around that time and in very early 1970 looked his best ever in my opinion against Ellis.

His head movement was certainly very good back then.

[JAB5239]

Call me crazy, but I think any prime version of Frazier gives Ali fits. Ali was a faster fighter before the lay off, but Im not sure he was smarter. This fight is a war no matter who one thinks wins. I can see scenerios for both fighters winning on ant given night.

[Left Hook Tua]

love and respect joe but......

he's not on prime ali's level.

ali before the layoff would have danced circles around him.

probably have joe's eye all puffy from jabs and lead rights and hooks while dancing and win by tko.

[GJC]

Call me crazy, but I think any prime version of Frazier gives Ali fits. Ali was a faster fighter before the lay off, but Im not sure he was smarter. This fight is a war no matter who one thinks wins. I can see scenerios for both fighters winning on ant given night.

Yes wouldn't suprise me if they kept the 2-1 average. People do forget that Ali/Clay never danced for 15 rounds and liked to rest even in prime. Frazier doesn't let you rest and I doubt even prime Ali will get Frazier out of there quickly.
7 or 8 rounds of Frazier on your chest takes the legs out of you, I favour Ali but there was something about these 2 that will make any version against any version a war.

[Silencers]

I don't think Frazier would've been able to catch Ali honestly, I think Ali would be able to move around and win the fight by fighting on the outside by decision.

[Calilloyd]

I don't think Frazier would've been able to catch Ali honestly, I think Ali would be able to move around and win the fight by fighting on the outside by decision.

Exactly the way I see it. Frazier never fought a prime Ali so there is no reason for me to believe he would do better or as good.

[phallus]

Ali 1966-67 vs. Fraizer of 1969???
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this would be the best match, 1971 frazier was just past his prime. i think the style of frazier beats prime ali, everytime ali stopped dancing he'd get clubbed with the left hook

[Lord Finesse]

I think one of the main reasons why Ali lost to Frazier, in their first fight, was because of stamina issues. If I remember correctly, Ali was winning the first part of the fight. Then came the fatigue.

Even though he had two fights before that one, he still had some ring rust.

A '64 Ali would've done much better against Frazier. I don't think the Ali in '64 was him in his prime, but it was close.

I'd say Ali by decision.