Has there ever been skills shown like that

[mickey malone]

Whether Pazienza was on steroids or not, the thread poster has challenged us to name fights that showed a more skillful display than that showed by Jones against Paz.. I immediately SUGGESTED Mayweather's domination of Arturo Gatti, which SillyBoy instantly discarded & accused me of never watching Jones Paz..

You may have noticed that SillyBoy is now not responding to his own thread..
Maybe it's because I was one of a small minority to actually answer his question, or maybe he's realized that by quoting Roy's performance against a guy who moved up 5 weights with a broken neck, as the most SKILLFUL he's EVER seen, shows a considerable lack of experience..

I'll continue answering the question, by explaining that the ultimate displays of skill are illustrated when one A class fighter dominates his A class opponent ie

Leonard Duran
Jones Toney
Jones Hopkins
Mayweather Marquez
Ali Liston
Pacquiao DeLaHoya
Whitaker Nelson
Hamed Vazquez
Barrera Hamed

etc etc etc, and not when an A class fighter tee's off on an inferior opponent, which in turn makes me realize, that Mayweather Gatti wasn't the best suggestion, although without doubt, a better one than Jones Pazienza...

[BennyST]

Maybe Im wrong, but didn't Paz win the 2nd round?

As for the original question.....Ali-Williams and Ali-Terrell were great shows of dominance against better opponents.

Yeah, he did. Got hammered the rest but actually landed some hard shots on Jones. Not only that but Jones was so much bigger in every way, that it doesn't really compare that much. He looked like a genuine big SMW against a guy that had come up from LW.

Still, he was insanely fast and sharp in that fight.

[sonnyboyx2]

Whether Pazienza was on steroids or not, the thread poster has challenged us to name fights that showed a more skillful display than that showed by Jones against Paz.. I immediately SUGGESTED Mayweather's domination of Arturo Gatti, which SillyBoy instantly discarded & accused me of never watching Jones Paz..

You may have noticed that SillyBoy is now not responding to his own thread..
Maybe it's because I was one of a small minority to actually answer his question, or maybe he's realized that by quoting Roy's performance against a guy who moved up 5 weights with a broken neck, as the most SKILLFUL he's EVER seen, shows a considerable lack of experience..

I'll continue answering the question, by explaining that the ultimate displays of skill are illustrated when one A class fighter dominates his A class opponent ie

Leonard Duran
Jones Toney
Jones Hopkins
Mayweather Marquez
Ali Liston
Pacquiao DeLaHoya
Whitaker Nelson
Hamed Vazquez
Barrera Hamed

etc etc etc, and not when an A class fighter tee's off on an inferior opponent, which in turn makes me realize, that Mayweather Gatti wasn't the best suggestion, although without doubt, a better one than Jones Pazienza...

what a complete waste of time it was for me to start this thread, its now obvious that 99% of the posters on here have never seen the Jones vs Pazienza fight otherwise they could have correctly answered my topic question... instead all that has happened is a bunch of ****suckers saying " Gatti was better or Jones was crap" which i find F*****g amazing.... i asked has there ever been a fight where a fighter showed skills as great as what Roy Jones showed in his fight with Pazienza.. quite a simply question!

Jones threw 12 jabs in under 5 seconds, he jabbed then hooked off the jab.. he threw overhand lefts.. he KOd his opponent with 3 uppercuts....it was IMO an amazing display of skills and never in watching over 20.000+ fight films have i seen anything even close to it or any other fighter come close to having and displaying that kind of skill... for over 5rds it was a display of speed that even slow-motion cameras could not capture..and his opponent could not put a glove on him....

now how the hell did Maywether do better against Gatti? or how was any of the list of fights you have listed did any of those fighters show a skill level greater than Jones did in the Pazienza fight.... what a bunch of turkeys on here.

[mickey malone]

Has there ever in boxing history skills been shown like Roy Jones showed against Vinny Pazienza.

if yes - when?

Now I can see why you're caked in red karma..

Your question clearly states, 'If yes - when' ?

I have answered your question, so stop being a rude little pig, and tell me why his small bag routine on Pazienza, showed more skill than his punishing of fellow world champions, James Toney and Bernard Hopkins???
Your thread is not a waste of time, just because us '****suckers' havn't gushed ******icly in agreement with your ridiculous claim..
There is a fundumental difference in boxing SKILL, as opposed to beating up a smaller opponent, (who is not noted for his defense) with every quick combo punch in the book..
In my book, that's just called, 'showing off' while under very little pressure..
Basically, you should have just said 'HANDSPEED' instead of 'SKILL', then all the '****suckers' would have agreed with you..
If you'd ever fought in a boxing ring, you'd know exactly what I'm on about...

[BennyST]

what a complete waste of time it was for me to start this thread, its now obvious that 99% of the posters on here have never seen the Jones vs Pazienza fight otherwise they could have correctly answered my topic question...

It seems to me like you didn't want anyone to answer your question but to simply agree with you in stating that Jones/Pax was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Everyone here has answered your question but because you don't agree, and the only reason you made this thread was in the hope of everyone agreeing with you, you insult everyone?

People have named other fights in which they believe that more skill was shown. One reason was that if a great fighter beats another great fighter easily that is showing more skill than a huge guy in his prime beating up on a little guy out of his prime and in way over his head. Oh yeah, and Pazienza did lay some glove on Jones. That's why he won the second round.

Don't get anyone wrong though mate. I pretty sure everyone here would agree that Jones was amazing that night. But, is it showing more skill by coming in and dancing around and being flashy or is there more skill in coming in and knocking out a smaller, out of his league fighter in thirty seconds?

People here though are giving their opinions on the matter, which you asked for, and just because they don't agree with you doesn't mean they are wrong and doesn't mean you should come in and insult them. If you just want people to nod and say "Yeah, you right bother! Jones was the best" go talk to yourself in a mirror.

If you don't want a discussion and other opinions that are different from yours, don't come into a boxing discussion forum and ask a question! Otherwise you will get answers that might be different and not what you wanted to hear.

[BennyST]

See, you might be equating flash with skill. Jones showed lots of skill and lots of flash. But, some people might have the opinion that just blasting through an opponent without any fuss and flash whatsoever is being even more skillful than leaping around, throwing seven hooks in a row against a guy that is not going to answer back and showing off. You know?

Someone might be of the opinion that Jones taking seven rounds to KO a guy like Glen Kelly, even with a behind the back KO punch, wasn't as good a show as Briggs who came in and absolutely laid waste to the some guy in only a few rounds. The difference being that Jones played to the crowd and pulled out a few tricks whereas Briggs came in and just beat the **** out of him without any fuss and bother at all, and no tricks.

They're just different ways of looking at it. Nobodies right and nobodies wrong in these discussions and just because someone doesn't think Jones showed more skill than Mayweather against Corrales or Calzaghe against Lacy or Leonard against Duran (P4P number 2 against the number 1 guy) or Duran against Moore. You dig?

That's a good one. Duran vs Moore. Old, little guy that was considered washed up and done vs a guy that was much bigger, younger, faster and stronger and considered more skillful at that stage in their careers gets hammered and taken apart piece by piece even though he was a huge favourite to beat the fat old guy easily. Does he show more skill than Jones? I don't know? Some might disagree and some might agree.

[sonnyboyx2]

It seems to me like you didn't want anyone to answer your question but to simply agree with you in stating that Jones/Pax was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Everyone here has answered your question but because you don't agree, and the only reason you made this thread was in the hope of everyone agreeing with you, you insult everyone?

People have named other fights in which they believe that more skill was shown. One reason was that if a great fighter beats another great fighter easily that is showing more skill than a huge guy in his prime beating up on a little guy out of his prime and in way over his head. Oh yeah, and Pazienza did lay some glove on Jones. That's why he won the second round.

Don't get anyone wrong though mate. I pretty sure everyone here would agree that Jones was amazing that night. But, is it showing more skill by coming in and dancing around and being flashy or is there more skill in coming in and knocking out a smaller, out of his league fighter in thirty seconds?

People here though are giving their opinions on the matter, which you asked for, and just because they don't agree with you doesn't mean they are wrong and doesn't mean you should come in and insult them. If you just want people to nod and say "Yeah, you right bother! Jones was the best" go talk to yourself in a mirror.

If you don't want a discussion and other opinions that are different from yours, don't come into a boxing discussion forum and ask a question! Otherwise you will get answers that might be different and not what you wanted to hear.

no i dont want others to agree and just nod.. i asked has there ever been skills shown like what Jones showed that night.. yet now his opponent is being questioned and called `shot` etc... it was quite a simply question and it has not been addressed or answered so why the **** did i bother asking it.. its obvious the answer is no otherwise other comparisons would have surfaced, this is absolutely nothing to do with wether i like Jones or dislike Paz, it was a simple question - and i answered the first response that Mayweather beating Gatti with 3 right-hands is nowhere near showing the skills that Jones showed against Pazienza, its that simple, but as always it has been twisted and contorted to the point where i now think "Why did i bother"... so **** it

[mickey malone]

no i dont want others to agree and just nod.. i asked has there ever been skills shown like what Jones showed that night.. yet now his opponent is being questioned and called `shot` etc... it was quite a simply question and it has not been addressed or answered so why the **** did i bother asking it.. its obvious the answer is no otherwise other comparisons would have surfaced, this is absolutely nothing to do with wether i like Jones or dislike Paz, it was a simple question - and i answered the first response that Mayweather beating Gatti with 3 right-hands is nowhere near showing the skills that Jones showed against Pazienza, its that simple, but as always it has been twisted and contorted to the point where i now think "Why did i bother"... so **** it

Talk about self ownership!

[BennyST]

no i dont want others to agree and just nod.. i asked has there ever been skills shown like what Jones showed that night.. yet now his opponent is being questioned and called `shot` etc... it was quite a simply question and it has not been addressed or answered so why the **** did i bother asking it.. its obvious the answer is no otherwise other comparisons would have surfaced, this is absolutely nothing to do with wether i like Jones or dislike Paz, it was a simple question - and i answered the first response that Mayweather beating Gatti with 3 right-hands is nowhere near showing the skills that Jones showed against Pazienza, its that simple, but as always it has been twisted and contorted to the point where i now think "Why did i bother"... so **** it

Yeah man, I know what you mean, but I think you might be looking at it from a different perspective. It's harder to throw three right hands against a guy that can and will throw back vs throwing something similar against a guy that might not throw back. Comparisons did surface but you just didn't agree with them at all, which is what I meant earlier in that you obviously didn't want to hear anything different.

Not, I'm not necessarily agreeing that Mayweather/Gatti is better because I think both Paz and Gatti were severely over-matched and neither guy was ever going to win. Gatti was shot to **** and Paz was just in way over his head against a big, fast, prime, genuine SMW.

I think that there are still fights in which someone shows better skill though, because, like I said earlier, there are fights in which one guy looks really good against amazing opposition which is obviously much more difficult to do and I think that shows something very special.

But, Jones did show an amazing speed, and series of combination's in that fight against a guy that, while greatly over-matched, was still a good fighter and highly ranked.

[sonnyboyx2]

Talk about self ownership!

what are you slavering about `mickey moron`?