Duran-Barkley: who won?

[Obama]

Geez, ask and ye shall receive. I think I see where you're coming from, although I don't agree. I don't have the fight memorized, but I think you're more intuned to Leonard's sharp punches than Duran's aggression, which is a common thing for judging among best to worst. I imagine you had the Taylor-Chavez fight scored for Taylor by a wider margin than I did, for example. I think the difference in opinion may come from from the fact that in the majority of the fight I felt Duran imposed his will on Leonard, which put Duran in a easier position to win rounds by executing his game plan. I consider "making a fighter fight your fight" to be a scorable aspect of boxing, if that makes any sense.

I gave Duran points for the same thing. But clean punches is to be placed above all. And Leonard clearly took that department over in the middle rounds.

[RightCross94]

I think it was a close fight, but Duran's cleaner shots and knockdown clinched it

[blacklodge]

I gave Duran points for the same thing. But clean punches is to be placed above all. And Leonard clearly took that department over in the middle rounds.

In this case, I think there were more "clean" punches by Duran and less "cleaner" punches by Leonard. By that I mean Leonard's punches just look better than Duran's, and most fighters punches for that matter. Duran landed a lot of short, ugly, mauling punches in clinches in that fight, which I score as much as Leonard's prettier punches from a distance. I'm not trying to argue or change anyone's mind, just stating how I scored it.
I remember when I finally got a tape of the full Leonard-Hearns fight instead of seeing the "we now advance to round 9" version on TV, and I would score a round for Leonard, and think "wait a minute", rewind and watch the round again and see that Hearns landed the harder punches, the more effective punches and more of them, but Leonard's were so showy compared to Hearns awkward delivery that Leonard's seemeed to highlight the round. Same was certainly true with Leonard-Hagler, although I still scored that for Leonard, 7-5.

[Silencers]

I felt the knockdown won the fight for Duran, close fight.

[sonnyboyx2]

I am positive that Duran won that fight. Barkley had his moments, but he never really came close to seriously hurting Duran or dropping him while Duran did just that to him in the 11th round. I can't see why anybody thinks Barkley won this fight.

Duran won... i have never heard anyone claim otherwise

[Bright-Eyes]

It would be nice if there was an alternate commentary for that fight, as part of the controversey I think is due to Al Bernstein being a notorious Duran hater, and Gil Clancy never forgiving Duran for the beatdown her put on his fighter, Ken Buchannon.

Bernstein hates Duran? any examples of him and Clancy putting Duran down?

[mickey malone]

I disagree entirely with anyone who thinks Duran lost either of those fights.. He upset Leonard convincingly in their 1st fight, and hurt Barkley to a degree even he hadn't experienced before..
I don't recall Duran ever getting a gift decision, apart from the one where he was allowed to stop Kenny Buchannon with an uppercut to the bollocks!

[blacklodge]

Bernstein hates Duran? any examples of him and Clancy putting Duran down?

Clancy brought up the Buchannon fight several times in reference to how god damned old they kept reminding us he was, and in a kind of snotty tone (Although he's such a bad color man I may have misinterpreted), not to mention constantly mentioning how tired Duran looked (I thought he looked fresh considering the hard action in the fight, and he was certainly no more tired than Barkley), and how Duran "may have gotten a third wind". Bernstein never really states anything matter of fact, saying things like "This has been one of the better fights of the last 2 years, in this weight class. In this state. Involving a white fighter and a Mexican fighter", always hedging everything he says like he's too astute to be impressed or something. I always remember him saying round 1 of Hagler-Hearns was "perhaps one of the best in middleweight history". Perhaps? Middleweight history? Ya think?
In the pre-fight for Duran-Barkley he hinted that this fight was a joke, saying sarcastically "I guess this will be fight of the year" (Guess what, Al. It was.). And he just can't get over the fact that Duran has a rep for being a rough fighter. The commentary for Duran-Moore was worse, while a bonafide legend is recapturing greatness in the ring in front of him, he's crying about Duran not getting docked points for what he thought were gratuitous fouls (I've seen worse on a regular basis. Sugar Ray Leonard?). I could be wrong, but it seems as though Bernstein has kind of a tone when he calls a Duran fight that doesn't seem very fair. Not that I want gushing man-crushes like Lampley had on De La Hoya, or Larry Merchant gushing over any fighter that bleeds and makes other fighters bleed. Or right now the big boner that Max Kellerman has for Floyd Mayweather, which may have eclipsed his unrequited love for Pernell Whitaker (or as he would say, "Pewnell Thweet Pea Whitikew"). That's why my preferences have always been Sean O'Grady, Teddy Atlas and Manny Steward. Be concise, don't shout, don't take away from the fight, don't distract me by saying something ******.

[Obama]

In this case, I think there were more "clean" punches by Duran and less "cleaner" punches by Leonard. By that I mean Leonard's punches just look better than Duran's, and most fighters punches for that matter. Duran landed a lot of short, ugly, mauling punches in clinches in that fight, which I score as much as Leonard's prettier punches from a distance. I'm not trying to argue or change anyone's mind, just stating how I scored it.
I remember when I finally got a tape of the full Leonard-Hearns fight instead of seeing the "we now advance to round 9" version on TV, and I would score a round for Leonard, and think "wait a minute", rewind and watch the round again and see that Hearns landed the harder punches, the more effective punches and more of them, but Leonard's were so showy compared to Hearns awkward delivery that Leonard's seemeed to highlight the round. Same was certainly true with Leonard-Hagler, although I still scored that for Leonard, 7-5.

I also scored both Hearns fights for Hearns (even tho the first one ended before it should have) and gave Leonard a 7-5 win over Hagler.

On another note, Kellerman is only a closet Mayweather hugger. He won't come out with the slobbering until Mayweather actually beats an elite Welterweight.

[Benncollinsaad]

What a surprise, PMP (lol, listen to that sound!) also sides with *****!