Duran-Barkley: who won?

[Benncollinsaad]

I could probably have figured out who without too much trouble but.....naturally enough he saved me the effort What's the old saying? "Better to be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt"? He removed all doubt long ago

Poet

And incredibly enough there is another fool here who thinks Barkley won!

[StarshipTrooper]

And incredibly enough there is another fool here who thinks Barkley won!

That would be Billionaire: Another Boxing Scene Einstein

Poet

[Obama]

You guys need to jump off Duran's nutsack. The fight was close. There is absolutely nothing wrong with believing Barkley won.

Some of the people voting here don't even remember the damn fight, count on it.

[Benncollinsaad]

You guys need to jump off Duran's nutsack. The fight was close. There is absolutely nothing wrong with believing Barkley won.

Some of the people voting here don't even remember the damn fight, count on it.

How bout you jump off Barkley's.

[Obama]

How bout you jump off Barkley's.

Sigh, I also believe Leonard beat Duran in their first fight. Yet I also dislike Leonard, and rate Duran over him p4p.

If the fight doesn't involve a Philadelphia fighter my scorecard doesn't get swayed one way or another on any kind of personal bias.

And if you'd read better, you would have noticed I'm not the one pretending one guy clearly won the fight. It was a fight that could go either way. Anyone who doesn't see that is the one in denial.

[blacklodge]

It would be nice if there was an alternate commentary for that fight, as part of the controversey I think is due to Al Bernstein being a notorious Duran hater, and Gil Clancy never forgiving Duran for the beatdown her put on his fighter, Ken Buchannon.
Despite being a Duran fan, I think a case can be made that a slight win for Barkley wouldn't have been an obscene robbery, but that's usually the product of overanalysis. I've watched that fight 25-30 times, and usually end up 6-6 or 7-5 Duran, with the knockdown (probably the most electric moment I've ever had in boxing) giving the win either way. The real indicator is that 1st round. I thought Barkley was winning the round fairly comfortably, and then Duran landed that massive right hand and had Barkley out on his feet. I just think that Barkley was SO hurt, that I had to slide that round over to Duran. It also changed the perception of the fight. Not only did it show that Duran came to fight, which was questioned, but that he was he going to be competative, AND he could actually hurt Barkley, which was not expected at all.
I do think Duran was hurt at least twice, but not to the degree Barkley was and I gave those rounds to Barkley anyway.

[blacklodge]

Sigh, I also believe Leonard beat Duran in their first fight.

Yow. Care to expound on that one?

[Obama]

Yow. Care to expound on that one?

*Round 1: 10 – 10 Even
Not much to choose from this round. No one really deserved to win it. Leonard didn't do much, and Duran was mostly ineffective with what he did.


Round 2: 9 – 10 Duran
Big round for Duran, he buckles Leonard early and possibly hurts him once more later in the round. Leonard has his moments near the end, but didn't do enough.


Round 3: 9 – 10 Duran
Duran continues to beat Leonard's ass again this round, hurting him in the early going.


*Round 4: 9 – 10 Duran
Once again, early in the round Leonard is caught and hurt by Duran's big right hand. That's 3 rounds in a row that he hasn't been able to avoid it, not looking good for Leonard at all. Afterwards the two exchange good body work back and forth, edge Leonard. And at the end of the round, there are some flurries and big shots landed by both fighters. Leonard appeared to get the best of it here as well (barely). So, what started as a big round for Duran, ended up pretty damn close. ...But Duran still won.


Round 5: 10 – 9 Leonard
Even round until the end, where Leonard finally put a meaningful combination together that actually made Duran back up a little.


Round 6: 10 – 9 Leonard
Leonard tied Duran up pretty well the entire round, and put together some bull**** shoe shining punches along with a couple decent hooks that gave him this round clearly.


*Round 7: 10 – 9 Leonard
Leonard continues his tactics from the last round, but Duran is given more freedom to work in this round, most notably the second half. First half of the round was Leonard's, second half even.


*Round 8: 9 – 10 Duran
Close round. When Leonard uses his jab, he's in control and winning the round. Problem is, he isn't consistent. And when he stops using it, Duran closes the distance and lands his big bombs. Leonard is usually even with Duran on the inside, up until the end of the round. At the end, Duran clearly got the harder punches in (most notably that sucker right hand).


Round 9: 9 – 10 Duran
Leonard took a lot of this round off, and Duran just outworked him. Duran did a very job of slipping underneath of Leonard's punches this round.


Round 10: 10 – 9 Leonard
Competitive but clear round for Leonard. He utilized his boxing ability well and managed to not get caught with any huge punches, aside from a couple decent body shots.


Round 11: 10 – 9 Leonard
This round was all combinations. Aside from body positioning and head movement, defense was pretty much out the window. Leonard won it because he was busier.


*Round 12: 10 – 10 Even
I saw nothing to indicate either fighter really won this round.


*Round 13: 9 – 10 Duran
Wow. Not much in the first half of the round aside from a big left hook by Duran, but the second half? Bomb, after bomb, after bomb, after bomb. Leonard took a terrible amount of punishment in the second half of this round despite the back and forth action, YET, Leonard managed to finish stronger and even hurt Duran. But, it wasn't enough to steal the round. I'm actually rather baffled at how Leonard seemed to walk through all the big punches Duran hit him with this round.


Round 14: 10 – 9 Leonard
Leonard's determination from the end of the last round continued over into this one. Duran also seemingly took his foot off the gas this round. In response, Leonard put his signature on the round via “his” famous bolo punch.


Round 15: 10 – 9 Leonard
Um, Duran apparently thought he was way ahead in this round, because he decided he didn't have to throw any punches. Leonard won the round on activity alone.




Final Score: 7 – 6 – 2 Leonard (144 – 143)




Score Variances:
Scoring all the starred rounds to fighter 1: 12 – 3 Leonard
Scoring all the starred rounds even: 6 – 3 – 6 Leonard
Scoring all the starred rounds to fighter 2: 6 – 9 Duran

[GJC]

You guys need to jump off Duran's nutsack. The fight was close. There is absolutely nothing wrong with believing Barkley won.

Some of the people voting here don't even remember the damn fight, count on it.

It was competetive but Duran won the knock down clinched it. Don't have any doubt that Duran won the 1st Leonard fight either. Do wonder about those who think he would have beaten Hagler over 12 though.

[blacklodge]

Final Score: 7 – 6 – 2 Leonard (144 – 143)

Geez, ask and ye shall receive. I think I see where you're coming from, although I don't agree. I don't have the fight memorized, but I think you're more intuned to Leonard's sharp punches than Duran's aggression, which is a common thing for judging among best to worst. I imagine you had the Taylor-Chavez fight scored for Taylor by a wider margin than I did, for example. I think the difference in opinion may come from from the fact that in the majority of the fight I felt Duran imposed his will on Leonard, which put Duran in a easier position to win rounds by executing his game plan. I consider "making a fighter fight your fight" to be a scorable aspect of boxing, if that makes any sense.