Who actually beats Johnson at his absolute prime?

[Dr Z]

I see you abandoned fessing up to where that quotation came from, huh? What happened to "Step up to the plate!"?

You don't get to make any more demands here until you address that. Take your lumps like a man, coward

Those are not my words. I posted the details for a book and magazine. Do you own that issue of Boxing Illustrated? Well, do you? And I was not talking to you . So...

[travestyny]

Those are not my words. I posted the details for a book and magazine. Do you own that issue of Boxing Illustrated? Well, do you? And I was not talking to you . So...

You weren't talking to me because you ducked out after claiming the book states exactly what you claimed But you seem mighty surprised that quotation isn't there.


So where did it come from? No I don't own the issue. It's your turn to step up. Post proof of the issue and then tell me where that quotation comes from. I accepted your challenge. Don't bltch out on me!

[Bronson66]

I think Loughran would be Johnson's best title opponent aside from Willard who knocked him out. Judging by the trouble O'brien who was listed at 162.5 lbs gave Johnson ( some felt O'brein was the better him in a 6 round fight ) ,a match would be interesting to see. I think Loughran is more durable than O'brein by a good amout.

Gibbons is even better than Loughran.

McVey was a teeneger and very in-expericed. Not even close to what he would become. Johnson won easily.

Why don't you list Johnson's best 5 wins taking into consideration the ages, activity levels and working conditions of the fighters and we can debate them?

I will say that Tommy Burns a 5'7" and 168 pounds of him, a super middle weight was his best win.

Loughran was stopped by Sharkey who ,in 53 fights only managed to stop 13 men.
Are you sitting on a cushion because Travestyny has just ripped your arse out! lol

I couldn't give a **** what you consider Johnson's best win.I'd get more sense out of my 3 years old Grandson!

[Bronson66]

Where does it say he was in the ropes? Smith said he knocked him through the ropes. Through means he went through the ropes and had to land somewhere. When Joe Smith knocked Hopkins THROUGH the ropes he landed outside the ring on his head. When Firpo knocked Dempsey through the ropes he landed on his back outside of the ring. Nowhere does Smith say Johnson was held up by the ropes. He said “through the ropes and damn near out of the Seal Rock theater.” You are either making up false outcomes again or still struggling with reading comprehension. Either way you are petty and dishonest.

You posted 20 paragraphs and still ducked my questions.

Why did you say Johnson struggled with Battling Jim…where is your primary source?

I don’t need a source to tell me McVey was competitive with Johnson, I’ve explained it to your stubborn ass over and over. Go back and read my responses. A 19 year old with only three fights goes twenty rounds with prime Johnson. The champion Burns couldn’t even do that. McVey was more competitive than the no-hopers who Johnson gave title shots to.

I named fighters who I believe would best Johnson. Based on their respective skills, ability, resumes, fighting style, and Johnson’s avoidance of tougher challenges while champion. Not every opinion needs to be quantified with a 20 paragraph long-winded rant. Especially when you are repeating yourself like a broken record and moving goal posts.

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[GhostofDempsey]

You based your picks on hatred of Johnson,that is palpably obvious.
For example.
Why do you think Loughran, basically a one handed left jab artist beats Johnson?
Why do you think Gibbons ,who could not win a decision over a rusty Dempsey beats Johnson?
McVey was nearly 40lbs heavier than Burns and had a better chin,why don't you factor that in?

McVey has several fights that were not recorded you know this but ignore it,because it doesnt fit into the narrative you want to project its just dishonest BS on your part.

McVey is believed to have had 14 fights when he first fought Johnson.so where did you get the number 3 from?
You made up the following lies about my posts
You've claimed that I have bragged about Johnson beating.
Kaufman
Fitzsimmons

When did I do that, produce the posts?

You claim:
"Little Burns lasted only 14 yet you tout his greatness." Which of my posts say this?

You ignore literally dozens of contemporary reports that state unequivocally , that McVey was totally and thoroughly out classed and beaten up in his three fights with Johnson,again because it directly contradicts your narrative.

You outright refuse to answer questions about what you know about those fights?
The answer is of course **** all!

What reports you have read?

How many rounds were credited to McVey?

How many times was he knocked down?

Because you are not interested in the truth,only in pursuing your hate agenda,not only are you lying to the forum,with your ridiculous assertions,but you are lying to yourself!


You're not a poster on a boxing forum ,you're a propagandist for a hate campaign!
Goebbels would have been proud of you!

You're really triggered, LOL. You quoted me three times this morning. You still haven't answered my question...why did you say Johnson struggled with Battling Jim? What was your primary source?

Where did Johnson land when he went THROUGH the ropes after Smith checked his chin? Smith specifically says THROUGH the ropes.

I have told you several times, I don't care about how many rounds McVey won, don't care about how many times he was knocked down, or the anonymous reports you read. I do know that a fighter who is 19 years old, has only 3 pro fights, and goes 20 rounds with the so-called best HW of his era is competitive. He lasted longer than Burns who was champion and several other white no-hopers Johnson cherry-picked. Now if only Johnson has the courage and integrity to give McVey a shot in his prime.

Loughran and Gibbons were more skilled and fought and defeated better opposition. That's a no-brainer, even for an intellectually challenged and dishonest pug like you.

[Dr Z]

I see you abandoned fessing up to where that quotation came from, huh? What happened to "Step up to the plate!"?

You don't get to make any more demands here until you address that. Take your lumps like a man, coward

No, after shrinking away from numerous points I made in the past, you finally replied to one. You were due someday. Cong****. But the quote comes from Boxing Illustrated. Reading matters.


By the way, how are things in New York city along with the mayor's race?

[travestyny]

No, after shrinking away from numerous points I made in the past, you finally replied to one. You were due someday. Cong****. But the quote comes from Boxing Illustrated. Reading matters.


By the way, how are things in New York city along with the mayor's race?

Bullshlt. Never "shrunk away" from any of your "points," but you sure are shrinking away now. You aren't fooling anyone, coward.

Where is the primary source for the quotation? Certainly not Boxing Illustrated in the 1960's. Johnson died in 1946.


NYC is great. Leaving in a few days to go to Paris for a week. Au revoir!

[Bronson66]

You're really triggered, LOL. You quoted me three times this morning. You still haven't answered my question...why did you say Johnson struggled with Battling Jim? What was your primary source?

Where did Johnson land when he went THROUGH the ropes after Smith checked his chin? Smith specifically says THROUGH the ropes.

I have told you several times, I don't care about how many rounds McVey won, don't care about how many times he was knocked down, or the anonymous reports you read. I do know that a fighter who is 19 years old, has only 3 pro fights, and goes 20 rounds with the so-called best HW of his era is competitive. He lasted longer than Burns who was champion and several other white no-hopers Johnson cherry-picked. Now if only Johnson has the courage and integrity to give McVey a shot in his prime.

Loughran and Gibbons were more skilled and fought and defeated better opposition. That's a no-brainer, even for an intellectually challenged and dishonest pug like you.

The reports were not anonymous I gave the newspapers and the dates they posted the reports
Lie no1 from you.
Why do you keep saying Mcvey had only3 fights when you know it is not true? Lie no 2 from you.

I gave a list of 2nd raters that beat Loughran and asked were they more skilled than Johnson?No reply.

You refused to admit I didnt post here Thursday night,either drunk or sober.No reply.

I asked you to produce a post of mine in which I brag aboutJohnson beating Kaufman and Fitzsimmons.No reply.

Likewise ,I asked to to repost my post in which I bigged up Burns.No reply.


Bye Goebbels!

[GhostofDempsey]

The reports were not anonymous I gave the newspapers and the dates they posted the reports
Lie no1 from you.
Why do you keep saying Mcvey had only3 fights when you know it is not true? Lie no 2 from you.

I gave a list of 2nd raters that beat Loughran and asked were they more skilled than Johnson?No reply.

You refused to admit I didnt post here Thursday night,either drunk or sober.No reply.

I asked you to produce a post of mine in which I brag aboutJohnson beating Kaufman and Fitzsimmons.No reply.

Likewise ,I asked to to repost my post in which I bigged up Burns.No reply.


Bye Goebbels!

You’re obviously content to lie and deflect and run this in circles. You’re so fearful of being wrong you have resorted to behaving like a petulant teenager.

Johnson cherry picked his way through his prime. Loughran did not. Easy work here.

You refuse to answer my questions and I am not wasting any time searching through all of your alts just so you can meltdown again like when I caught you saying Johnson struggled with Battling Jim yet you wagged your crooked finger at me when I said the same thing and you insisted on a primary source. Where is your primary source? Why did you say Johnson struggled with him.

[Bronson66]

You’re obviously content to lie and deflect and run this in circles. You’re so fearful of being wrong you have resorted to behaving like a petulant teenager.

Johnson cherry picked his way through his prime. Loughran did not. Easy work here.

You refuse to answer my questions and I am not wasting any time searching through all of your alts just so you can meltdown again like when I caught you saying Johnson struggled with Battling Jim yet you wagged your crooked finger at me when I said the same thing and you insisted on a primary source. Where is your primary source? Why did you say Johnson struggled with him.

Wasting your time,searching through all my alts? [2user names in over 18 years]

Isn't that exactly what you have been doing?

Isn't that precisely what you tried to threaten me with?

That you would search through my old posts , and embarrass me by posting them?lol

When is this embarrassment going to start?


I refuse to answer your questions?

I've posed you several questions ,6 or 7 times and you've ignored them! lol

I'm wrong plenty of times, twice on the forum in the past 2 weeks, 3 times if you count my picking Dunois to beat Usyk, but not in my debates with you.

You wrong?

How about?
Over me being drunk Thursday evening and posting here?

Me bragging about Johnson beating Kaufman and Fitz?

Me bigging up Burns?

McVey only having 3 fights?

Me claiming the Smith interview was videotaped?

There's five for you to be going on with,five you have neither the class or the balls to acknowledge!

In the words of the wonderful John Prine, "you've popped your last balloon". LOL

See you soon Goebbels, Minister For Propaganda.