Vinny Paz KOs Floyd Mayweather or get ducked!

[Bennyleonard99]

Are you saying if Cotto beat Floyd, they would hold Cotto's purse?

That's a pretty ridiculous statement to make with zero proof.


Pacquaio and Cotto discussed a rematch but Pacquiao wanted a catch weight.

Based on what my eyes saw, Cotto played soft for the payday. He was paid handsomely to serve Floyd Haymon. But fact is Floyd ducked Cotto in 2008 when HBO unification of the 147 unbeaten welters needed to be made. Floyd only fought Cotto later when he lost value and leverage and needed the jackpot payday.

[Bennyleonard99]

Floyd avoided the 140 version of Cotto and also waited until Cotto was softened up by Margarito and Manny.

Spot on. And when Cotto was no longer promoted by Arum. Free agents are easier to manipulate,

[Bennyleonard99]

Pacquaio wanted to fight for Cotto's 154lb title, but at a catchweight of 150. He obviously didn't want to fight him at the full limit.

Floyd took the fight at the full limit.

Whatever spin or explanation you want to give, it just is what it is.

Pac was the A side, he called the shots. Like Leonard did vs Hagler and Lalonde. A side privileges.

[travestyny]

Based on what my eyes saw, Cotto played soft for the payday. He was paid handsomely to serve Floyd Haymon. But fact is Floyd ducked Cotto in 2008 when HBO unification of the 147 unbeaten welters needed to be made. Floyd only fought Cotto later when he lost value and leverage and needed the jackpot payday.

You're still avoiding my point: He fought Cotto at 154, which Pac wasn't willing to do. No way Cotto "played it soft." He busted Floyd's nose early on and was clearly trying to win. This is just a poor troll job or just some delusion because you are clouded by hate. Your argument relies on claiming Cotto basically threw a fight, which is disrespectful to Cotto and boxing history. Honestly, you should be ashamed of yourself for such accusations without any proof at all.

[travestyny]

Pac was the A side, he called the shots. Like Leonard did vs Hagler and Lalonde. A side privileges.

Again, you can give whatever reasoning you like but the fact of the matter is that Floyd took on a challenge that Pacquiao was unwilling to take. Does it make Pacquiao a coward?

[travestyny]

Floyd avoided the 140 version of Cotto and also waited until Cotto was softened up by Margarito and Manny.

the 140 version.

I guess Cotto wasn't softened up enough for Pacquaio to take the rematch at 154, but Floyd took the fight. Make it make sense.

[Mr Mitts]

Lil' Floyd was a great fighter, just not GOAT level. He sought legacy the cheap way, but it really has not worked from a legacy perspective. Almost everyone admits he did not face the best opponents available when they were still sharp. This even includes Pacquiao whose prime he out-waited in a very obvious manner. Like Tyson, he never beat a great fighter in their prime. Such an one can never be the GOAT or even seriously in the conversation.

[Bennyleonard99]

Lil' Floyd was a great fighter, just not GOAT level. He sought legacy the cheap way, but it really has not worked from a legacy perspective. Almost everyone admits he did not face the best opponents available when they were still sharp. This even includes Pacquiao whose prime he out-waited in a very obvious manner. Like Tyson, he never beat a great fighter in their prime. Such an one can never be the GOAT or even seriously in the conversation.

The truth is Floyd and Haymon were intending to duck Pacquiao forever. However the head of CBS Showtimes Les Moonves, unhappy with Floyd fight numbers on the six fight $150m contract, forced Floyd to fight Pac. That is the ONLY REASON the fight happened. Otherwise Floyd would have dodged Pac forever. Then once forced into it against his will, you can be reasonably certain Haymon took care of the judges to give Floyd the decision and that is why Floyd boxed so scared and did nothing really but pitter patter and run. He knew the judges were going to give it to him. So his only strategy in the fight was to just dont do anything overly bold, just box run and take the phony decision. But it was close, Holyfield sat ringside and said Pac won.

[Bennyleonard99]

the 140 version.

I guess Cotto wasn't softened up enough for Pacquaio to take the rematch at 154, but Floyd took the fight. Make it make sense.

Cotto's first loss was to Pacquiao if I remember correctly. 154 150 147 it's all the same really. Pac wanted that 8th title. If you're asserting four pounds saved Manny vs Cotto, that's just silly.

[JAB5239]

The Paz who fought Dele at 154 has a chance, but i still wouldn't pick him. If this were the 135 versions of Both Floyd would bust him up badly. At 154 though he was more defensive and like to pot shot. I think Paz's aggression makes it look good, but Mayweathers defense is tight and wins a closer than expected UD.