Lomachenko

[DeeMoney]

Vasyl Lachenko announced his retirement this week, and I am wondering what the thoughts are on him as a fighter and his place in history?

Additionally, do you feel he would be viewed differently had he came out as a pro a few years earlier and, instead of hopping right up to contender status built himself up with a few years of no hopers. Essentially take his record and resume now and add 18 more wins at the start of his career against lower level fighters.

Whether you agree or not, do you think fans in general wouldve thought more highly of him with a pro record of 36-3, with that last loss being controversial one to Haney?

[ShoulderRoll]

Great amateur career, but the Orlando Salido fight showed that all those 397 amateur fights weren’t a substitute for pro experience. I’m talking strictly the actual boxing in that fight, leaving aside Salido coming in over the weight limit and his “veteran tactics.”

Only 18 wins. He did manage to get some good scalps in that short run: Gary Russell Jr, Rigondeaux, Linares. But I would have liked to have seen more big names. Like Mikey Garcia or Tank Davis for example.

Padding the resume with additional lower level wins wouldn’t really make me see him differently.

[QueensburyRules]

- - Interestingly how Loma who is likely the best Ama in his weight class ever exposed the ****** side of pro boxing while making a small fortune and stellar reputation.

[BKM-]

He's kind of unique in that we didn't really have to suffer the insufferable "career build-up" of 30-40 fights against low level competition for an undefeated record untill he finally stepped up to the big leagues.

He did that in the amateurs. When it was pro time he fought plenty of the top dogs right away and did well.

[Willie Pep 229]

He's kind of unique in that we didn't really have to suffer the insufferable "career build-up" of 30-40 fights against low level competition for an undefeated record untill he finally stepped up to the big leagues.

He did that in the amateurs. When it was pro time he fought plenty of the top dogs right away and did well.

I understand your point. It is what prize fighting has always been.

But . . .

As much as I complain about the sanctioning bodies look at the career of Teofimo Lopez.

He made a deal exclusively with Bob Arum and the WBC.

In 13 fights he had a SB title in just 15 fights he had a million dollar payday (against) Loma.

The game has changed and if you do your business well, the 40-50 fight career is a thing of the past. Which is a good thing.

[QueensburyRules]

I understand your point. It is what prize fighting has always been.

But . . .

As much as I complain about the sanctioning bodies look at the career of Teofimo Lopez.

He made a deal exclusively with Bob Arum and the WBC.

In 13 fights he had a SB title in just 15 fights he had a million dollar payday (against) Loma.

The game has changed and if you do your business well, the 40-50 fight career is a thing of the past. Which is a good thing.

- - Most all will stay for the big bucks, ie Usyk who should retire right now at the top like Jeffries, Rocky, Vit, ect.

Usyk is 29-0 as a pro, is 38 years old with an ama career of 335-15.

Loma had a similar ama career and it cost him with a lot of high physical use injuries, ie over 300 ama bouts with 2 Olympic Golds by age 25.

[The D3vil]

- - Most all will stay for the big bucks, ie Usyk who should retire right now at the top like Jeffries, Rocky, Vit, ect.

Usyk is 29-0 as a pro, is 38 years old with an ama career of 335-15.

Loma had a similar ama career and it cost him with a lot of high physical use injuries, ie over 300 ama bouts with 2 Olympic Golds by age 25.

Usyk's 23-0, not 29-0.

[QueensburyRules]

Usyk's 23-0, not 29-0.

Usyk professional Record is 29-0 if Look it up and do the math...better'n Vander's 26-10-2 200lb record...Read it and weep...

[BKM-]

I understand your point. It is what prize fighting has always been.

But . . .

As much as I complain about the sanctioning bodies look at the career of Teofimo Lopez.

He made a deal exclusively with Bob Arum and the WBC.

In 13 fights he had a SB title in just 15 fights he had a million dollar payday (against) Loma.

The game has changed and if you do your business well, the 40-50 fight career is a thing of the past. Which is a good thing.

I'll take your word for it. I haven't extensively followed modern boxing in many years other than the big fight here and there. Maybe Kovalev was the last guy that kept me glued.

[Willie Pep 229]

I'll take your word for it. I haven't extensively followed modern boxing in many years other than the big fight here and there. Maybe Kovalev was the last guy that kept me glued.

Yeah, look at Usyk as well. He sold himself to the WBC (even denying the lineal title just to kiss the WBC's butt) and he has only 23 fights total. Three of them have been multi-million dollar paydays.

I think the days of 'Chavez' are behind us.

I of course hate to admit it, but it is one of the positive things a SB can do for a fighter. A quick run to a title.

But of course when there are multiple SBs it throws the entire fight game out of wack.