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Originally posted by max baer View Post
They say the biopic is as close to reality as any biopic ever made. They say that his life was exactly just like the movie!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYvSEHZe340 just like noel these lyrics.max baer likes this.
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Originally posted by Bennyleonard99 View Post
Like Amadeus, Orson Welles, Van Gogh, Tyson is a mad genius. Those three died broke, Tyson actually is super wealthy now again after blowing his fortunes twice. Tyson is a genius, he mastered the sport as a kid, age 20, at just 5-10, supposedly too small for a heavyweight. But he figured out how to overcome his physical disadvantage and conquered the entire sport with power, brains, will and skill. He studied all the champions, the big names to the little unknowns in Asia and took something from them all. If you watch his live performance of Undisputed Truth on Broadway, youll understand the man is a genius. He talks for two hours straight about his life, fascinating, brilliant, hilarious, insightful and so good I know one guy who went seven nights in a row and laughed hard every show. Genius.
Mozart was a genuine genius with a rare aptitude from his birth fostered by his extraordinary family mentors and family friends such as Haydn and JC Bach. No other classical musician is even close to what he did, but of course I don't come into this forum to discuss things beyond the general level of pugs here.max baer likes this.
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Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
- - Don't get that Mike is a genius any more than Van Gogh save in their particular skill levels. He is more intelligent than his wretched childhood background would suggest.
Mozart was a genuine genius with a rare aptitude from his birth fostered by his extraordinary family mentors and family friends such as Haydn and JC Bach. No other classical musician is even close to what he did, but of course I don't come into this forum to discuss things beyond the general level of pugs here.max baer likes this.
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Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
- - Don't get that Mike is a genius any more than Van Gogh save in their particular skill levels. He is more intelligent than his wretched childhood background would suggest.
Mozart was a genuine genius with a rare aptitude from his birth fostered by his extraordinary family mentors and family friends such as Haydn and JC Bach. No other classical musician is even close to what he did, but of course I don't come into this forum to discuss things beyond the general level of pugs here.
Bach and Mozart were both regarded as the best violinists in Europe (the world in that case) during their eras. The thing that makes this so curious is that neither one was a working violinist. Of course they could at least play the basics on any orchestral instrument, and since violin is a major orchestral instrument they could do more than the basics. But to casually become the best in the world on any instrument outstrips imagination.
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Originally posted by Mr Mitts View Post
So you could discuss music sensibly beyond biography? Yes, Mozart did stand above other composers in the classical period. But not above the baroque JS Bach or the romantic Beethoven, or maybe even early modern Debussy. Had any of them been serious chess players they could have casually have played blindfold chess. Mozart was wont to keep several complete pieces stored in his head until he had the spare moments to write them down and take a break from composing more pieces in his head. Mozart needed nothing more than to be awake to compose music.
Bach and Mozart were both regarded as the best violinists in Europe (the world in that case) during their eras. The thing that makes this so curious is that neither one was a working violinist. Of course they could at least play the basics on any orchestral instrument, and since violin is a major orchestral instrument they could do more than the basics. But to casually become the best in the world on any instrument outstrips imagination.
None were the brilliant boy genius of Mozart who was confounding the best musical scholars of the day. Age 6 first shown the the Organ, standing up because he was too small to otherwise use the foot pedals, he summoned all the monks of the monastery from the far reaches who were astounded.
Imagine a bunch of growed scholars trying to baffle a little kid who always turned the tables to baffle them instead.
While touring in Italy, he hears a sacred papal composition for the first time, so sacred it is not allowed to be copied or played in any other setting on the pain of death. Mozart by ear writes out the composition and plays it before the incredulous Pope who allows that he was far too rare to be spit roasted.
His birth was miracle of survival in a heavy death rate of his birth era where at one point he was put on an all water diet for a few days.
He was a contemporary of Ben Franklin in France who invented the glass harmonica that Mozart wrote one of the first compositions for still played today. His beloved mom died in Paris, so can anyone here even conceive of the pain of hauling her back to Salzburg in a horse drawn Hearse?
Right around this 21 year old time he takes private leave of the Archbishop to set up in Vienna where he's making waves. When the Archbishop visits and find Mozart out of place, he goes to his apartment to dress him down that leads to an argument with the Archbishop leaving in a huff. Mozart immediately pens a letter to Pop in concern for his position in Salzburg, telling him, "If not for your position in his court, I would've planted my boot up his Holy Keister!
They then and you now simply lack the metrics to quantify someone like Mozart who sailed through music like a porpoise on water until his premature never more exit where he literally composed his own requiem. He was also a prolific letter writer in those expensive quill pen, ink, parchment paper and postal expense days delivered by horseback and carriage.max baer likes this.
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Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
- - JS Bach used Vivaldi for his inspiration, and in turn Vivaldi used young Handel for his model of Opera composition.
None were the brilliant boy genius of Mozart who was confounding the best musical scholars of the day. Age 6 first shown the the Organ, standing up because he was too small to otherwise use the foot pedals, he summoned all the monks of the monastery from the far reaches who were astounded.
Imagine a bunch of growed scholars trying to baffle a little kid who always turned the tables to baffle them instead.
While touring in Italy, he hears a sacred papal composition for the first time, so sacred it is not allowed to be copied or played in any other setting on the pain of death. Mozart by ear writes out the composition and plays it before the incredulous Pope who allows that he was far too rare to be spit roasted.
His birth was miracle of survival in a heavy death rate of his birth era where at one point he was put on an all water diet for a few days.
He was a contemporary of Ben Franklin in France who invented the glass harmonica that Mozart wrote one of the first compositions for still played today. His beloved mom died in Paris, so can anyone here even conceive of the pain of hauling her back to Salzburg in a horse drawn Hearse?
Right around this 21 year old time he takes private leave of the Archbishop to set up in Vienna where he's making waves. When the Archbishop visits and find Mozart out of place, he goes to his apartment to dress him down that leads to an argument with the Archbishop leaving in a huff. Mozart immediately pens a letter to Pop in concern for his position in Salzburg, telling him, "If not for your position in his court, I would've planted my boot up his Holy Keister!
They then and you now simply lack the metrics to quantify someone like Mozart who sailed through music like a porpoise on water until his premature never more exit where he literally composed his own requiem. He was also a prolific letter writer in those expensive quill pen, ink, parchment paper and postal expense days delivered by horseback and carriage.
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Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
- - JS Bach used Vivaldi for his inspiration, and in turn Vivaldi used young Handel for his model of Opera composition.
None were the brilliant boy genius of Mozart who was confounding the best musical scholars of the day. Age 6 first shown the the Organ, standing up because he was too small to otherwise use the foot pedals, he summoned all the monks of the monastery from the far reaches who were astounded.
Imagine a bunch of growed scholars trying to baffle a little kid who always turned the tables to baffle them instead.
While touring in Italy, he hears a sacred papal composition for the first time, so sacred it is not allowed to be copied or played in any other setting on the pain of death. Mozart by ear writes out the composition and plays it before the incredulous Pope who allows that he was far too rare to be spit roasted.
His birth was miracle of survival in a heavy death rate of his birth era where at one point he was put on an all water diet for a few days.
He was a contemporary of Ben Franklin in France who invented the glass harmonica that Mozart wrote one of the first compositions for still played today. His beloved mom died in Paris, so can anyone here even conceive of the pain of hauling her back to Salzburg in a horse drawn Hearse?
Right around this 21 year old time he takes private leave of the Archbishop to set up in Vienna where he's making waves. When the Archbishop visits and find Mozart out of place, he goes to his apartment to dress him down that leads to an argument with the Archbishop leaving in a huff. Mozart immediately pens a letter to Pop in concern for his position in Salzburg, telling him, "If not for your position in his court, I would've planted my boot up his Holy Keister!
They then and you now simply lack the metrics to quantify someone like Mozart who sailed through music like a porpoise on water until his premature never more exit where he literally composed his own requiem. He was also a prolific letter writer in those expensive quill pen, ink, parchment paper and postal expense days delivered by horseback and carriage.
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I feel like Mike Tyson talks absolute nonsense most of the time.
He has studied the Thesaurus well and learnt big words, similar to Russel Brand when he's doing his word salads.
But he very rarely has anything very insightful to say.
I preferred Tyson's interviews around 1998-2001 when he was heavily on drugs and on the cusp of a mental break down. At least that was amusing.
These days he attempts to sound enlightened but instead just comes off pretentious and quite dim.
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Originally posted by Mr Mitts View Post
Like I said, you don't know anything beyond biography. I am talking about the music itself, pumpkin. Bach did not sound anything like Vivaldi and was much greater musically. Taking inspiration from someone is not the same as copying them. No great one copies another unless briefly for sport or veneration. Every artist takes inspiration from their predecessors, so that is nothing new and proves exactly zilch about a composer's worth. There is not a lot of counterpoint in Vivaldi I have heard, which is Bach's hallmark. J.S.B. once improvised a fugue in 8 parts. Just playing around.
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