The Government and Boxing

[billeau2]

Interesting post.

I agree special interests are the driving force of American politics today, but the problem is us not the plurality.

The next generation, due to replace us sooner than later, will have only known this pluralistic America, and will therefore wear it better. I.e. they will temper the extremism and make plurality work.

America has gone through four distinct phases and is now in its fifth.

America started as a Monarchy that expressed itself through Empire.

After crisis it became an . . .

Aristocracy that expressed itself through Property.

After crisis it became . . .

Individualism expressed through Free Enterprise.

After crisis it became . . .

Majority Rule expressed through Government

Now, in crisis again, it is learning to live as a

Plurality expressing itself through Special Interest.

Each and every phase made America greater than it was before, but each first suffered crisis, and the generation that forced the crisis/change never learned to govern it correctly.

But, the good news is, that each gave way to a new generation that took what was handed them and learn to make it work.

Each of the four phases, made America great. All we need is time and for this extremist generation (us) to die off. The next generation will take over.

The kids will do better than us. We just don't want to admit that, so we mock them for rejecting our values. But our values are old now.

Plurality expressed through Special Interest is America's future. Everyone in America now defines himself as part of a subgroup.

We created it but we don't know how to manage it.

Our first attempt at democracy, we mangled it. It was called the Confederation.

We are in that kind of transition, like moving from monarchy to republicanism was difficult. Now we're trying to move from majoritarianism to pluralism. It's difficult but the kids will figure it out, not us.

Sorry for the rant. Lost control. LOL

It becomes a kind of dialectic after all lol. For anyone who wants to think through what you just presented? I would encourage all to look at how the next generation and corporate America express power. They do so with virtue signaling. Corporations will fire any representative who goes against their special interests... don't like g a y people? well Gay people are a special interest they consume... So you gotta go. Young people are lulled by promises like "this product uses no plastics, this meat is humanely sourced... etc." All ways of expressing power through special interests...

My own theory is that one day a kid walked into a corporate boardroom while they were making a toy to market and the kid was gas lamped when he volunteered an opinion. Later that day one of the members had a brilliant insight: "Hey who are we selling this toy to?" Suddenly marketing was geared towards special groups AKA special interests. I trained my two boys very early in how to buy stocks: "If Toys R Us s u c ks and Target has the good toys, which company would you invest in? I am being somewhat facitious giving an original date lol, it is something Freud did earnestly in all his writings... he actually did believe that one day two brothers went out with the father, killed him jealous for the mother... But I am speaking using the day as an analogy for what you speak of.

What I take your post to mean is that with the internet and such, the kids have discovered the power of true power of Democracy... Not the naive assertions of Socrate's Athenian hypocracy... But consensus. Coming together as a block to counteract Lobbyists who made a method of control using this artificially through K street techniques. Even the big boys have to capitulate. Watching corporations gush over such values is truly sickening... but it confirms exactly what you have posted.

[max baer]

In the UK there is the ECHR that tell our government who we can and can't de!port.
It was established after the war as a way to protect europe from another naz! type of persecution but today is rubbishing our rules of fairness and foul play.
When introducing new laws that give the government more powers over our private life they say "if you have done nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about.
What happens? The law is passed and then 12 years later a new government use these laws to imprison people for just tweeting an opinion about a murderer.
Then when another new law is put through the same process the government at that time say "if you have done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear" Then 15 years later another control freak prime minister locks up people who simply argue a different opinion. They do it using the new law which gives the police and government new powers and ability to snoop on us.
Just my two cents worth.

[Willie Pep 229]

In the UK there is the ECHR that tell our government who we can and can't de!port.
It was established after the war as a way to protect europe from another naz! type of persecution but today is rubbishing our rules of fairness and foul play.
When introducing new laws that give the government more powers over our private life they say "if you have done nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about.
What happens? The law is passed and then 12 years later a new government use these laws to imprison people for just tweeting an opinion about a murderer.
Then when another new law is put through the same process the government at that time say "if you have done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear" Then 15 years later another control freak prime minister locks up people who simply argue a different opinion. They do it using the new law which gives the police and government new powers and ability to snoop on us.
Just my two cents worth.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Benjamin Franklin

[QueensburyRules]

Interesting post.

I agree special interests are the driving force of American politics today, but the problem is us not the plurality.

The next generation, due to replace us sooner than later, will have only known this pluralistic America, and will therefore wear it better. I.e. they will temper the extremism and make plurality work.

America has gone through four distinct phases and is now in its fifth.

America started as a Monarchy that expressed itself through Empire.

After crisis it became an . . .

Aristocracy that expressed itself through Property.

After crisis it became . . .

Individualism expressed through Free Enterprise.

After crisis it became . . .

Majority Rule expressed through Government

Now, in crisis again, it is learning to live as a

Plurality expressing itself through Special Interest.

Each and every phase made America greater than it was before, but each first suffered crisis, and the generation that forced the crisis/change never learned to govern it correctly.

But, the good news is, that each gave way to a new generation that took what was handed them and learn to make it work.

Each of the four phases, made America great. All we need is time and for this extremist generation (us) to die off. The next generation will take over.

The kids will do better than us. We just don't want to admit that, so we mock them for rejecting our values. But our values are old now.

Plurality expressed through Special Interest is America's future. Everyone in America now defines himself as part of a subgroup.

We created it but we don't know how to manage it.

Our first attempt at democracy, we mangled it. It was called the Confederation.

We are in that kind of transition, like moving from monarchy to republicanism was difficult. Now we're trying to move from majoritarianism to pluralism. It's difficult but the kids will figure it out, not us.

Sorry for the rant. Lost control. LOL

- - Pep, the overriding problem is not the symptoms, but the way the US Govt is structured with Rep/Dems function as dueling Govt Churches where they have control over the voting processes and Candidates chosen that has festered into the current Billionaire funded Gerontocracy.

The top 20 Billionaires are worth approx 2 trillion$ and much of that is speculating on B1t Co1n and Artificial Intelligence

How Did Voter Turnout in 2024 Compare to Past Elections?

Data shows that about 64% of the voting-eligible population in the U.S. voted in the 2024 election, so 36% of the people constitute "The None of the Above Party" which is larger than the approx 32% each of Dem/Reps are essentially minority parties controlling all of govt.

Other calculations show Although Donald Trump only beat ****** Harris by a razor thin 1.6% margin in the popular vote, the 2024 election was in many ways a blow-out if you consider all the ballots that could have been cast but weren't.

Using data from the University of Florida Election Lab, a new analysis by the Environmental Voter Project shows that 85.9 million eligible voters skipped the 2024 general election, far surpassing the 76.8 million ballots cast for Donald Trump or the 74.3 million for ****** Harris.

If "Did Not Vote" had been a presidential candidate, they would have beaten Donald Trump by 9.1 million votes, and they would have won 21 states, earning 265 electoral college votes to Trump's 175 and Harris's 98.

As in most US elections, the real swing voters in 2024 were those deciding between voting or not voting...and they overwhelmingly chose to stay home on Election Day.

For more information on how the Environmental Voter Project identifies and mobilizes low propensity environmental voters, visit www.environmentalvoter.org.
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[billeau2]

- - Pep, the overriding problem is not the symptoms, but the way the US Govt is structured with Rep/Dems function as dueling Govt Churches where they have control over the voting processes and Candidates chosen that has festered into the current Billionaire funded Gerontocracy.

The top 20 Billionaires are worth approx 2 trillion$ and much of that is speculating on B1t Co1n and Artificial Intelligence

How Did Voter Turnout in 2024 Compare to Past Elections?

Data shows that about 64% of the voting-eligible population in the U.S. voted in the 2024 election, so 36% of the people constitute "The None of the Above Party" which is larger than the approx 32% each of Dem/Reps are essentially minority parties controlling all of govt.

Other calculations show Although Donald Trump only beat ****** Harris by a razor thin 1.6% margin in the popular vote, the 2024 election was in many ways a blow-out if you consider all the ballots that could have been cast but weren't.

Using data from the University of Florida Election Lab, a new analysis by the Environmental Voter Project shows that 85.9 million eligible voters skipped the 2024 general election, far surpassing the 76.8 million ballots cast for Donald Trump or the 74.3 million for ****** Harris.

If "Did Not Vote" had been a presidential candidate, they would have beaten Donald Trump by 9.1 million votes, and they would have won 21 states, earning 265 electoral college votes to Trump's 175 and Harris's 98.

As in most US elections, the real swing voters in 2024 were those deciding between voting or not voting...and they overwhelmingly chose to stay home on Election Day.

For more information on how the Environmental Voter Project identifies and mobilizes low propensity environmental voters, visit www.environmentalvoter.org.
did%20not%20vote%202024.png?itok=XE8fAAsu.png

Great Post... True. All the Dems had to do was present a likeable young candidate. At least with H illary (whom I despise) she had experience politically, but she was so unlikable! You have a Geriotocracy, A bunch of old unlikable dems who supress everyone coming up... P elosi would see the world burn so she could hold her position. And they do not learn. H arris will not be flushed down the toilet, she will be put out for California voters to gag and swallow, having to vote for her. She is awful and all they need is someone that isnt.

So lo and behold: People do not vote... Go figure.

[Coverdale]

Great Post... True. All the Dems had to do was present a likeable young candidate. At least with H illary (whom I despise) she had experience politically, but she was so unlikable! You have a Geriotocracy, A bunch of old unlikable dems who supress everyone coming up... P elosi would see the world burn so she could hold her position. And they do not learn. H arris will not be flushed down the toilet, she will be put out for California voters to gag and swallow, having to vote for her. She is awful and all they need is someone that isnt.

So lo and behold: People do not vote... Go figure.

As an outsider, it's quite obvious to me the US needs to get away from its two-party system. They are simply two wings of the business party who put on a performance over trivial identity issues.

I voted for the (British) Green Party in the last two elections.

[max baer]

As an outsider, it's quite obvious to me the US needs to get away from its two-party system. They are simply two wings of the business party who put on a performance over trivial identity issues.

I voted for the (British) Green Party in the last two elections.

The green party in the UK have had many isla m ists hijack their party in order to get elected. https://shorturl.at/qsjon this is them

[Coverdale]

The green party in the UK have had many isla m ists hijack their party in order to get elected.

You have Nigel Farage in your avatar.

[Coverdale]

The green party in the UK have had many isla m ists hijack their party in order to get elected. https://shorturl.at/qsjon this is them

I'm not clicking on a dodgy link but even if what you're saying is true I've read the Green Party manifesto and there is nothing about Islamism in there. Not sure why you're trying to undermine me in that way, I am sure you don't like it when people do it to you.

[Spray_resistant]

As an outsider, it's quite obvious to me the US needs to get away from its two-party system. They are simply two wings of the business party who put on a performance over trivial identity issues.

I voted for the (British) Green Party in the last two elections.

Some of us know, some of us think it makes a difference which team wins. Its very likely the same results would be accomplished if the other party won with the results of measures just packaged different but it all results in the same things namely elitists staying that way, getting more wealthy, and freezing anyone not in the special club out.

They're probably all drinking buddies dem or repub and put on a show like wrestling for the cameras since why does it matter who wins the title? They duped all of the marks into thinking they had choice and freedom while they are insulated with wealth and privilage.

I'd like more real options but don't know how to change it or even start, people are too passive since most have a place to live, an income, food, cheap entertainment. Government would be foolish and need a history lesson before ever allowing too much of the U.S public to go without, we know what always happens eventually in that case so they likely never will.