Tunney draws the color line on Godfrey

[billeau2]

Tex makes a tournament for who fights Gene.

Wills, Dempsey, Uzcudun, Sharkey, and Maloney AFAIK

Paulino refuses to fight Wills because Dempsey refuses to fight more than one fight to prove he's worthy of Tunney.

Sharkey beats Maloney.

Uzcudun does fight and beat Wills

Dempsey beats Sharkey

Paulino is dropped from the tournament, Dempsey fights Tunney


Tex does a little reset. Gets Paulino's next fight, a DQ loss to Risko, scrubbed. You'll see the DQ loss on boxrec but you will not find the NYSAC ruling to corroborate because the NYSAC ruled no foul. It's a NC.


Tosses him in with a couple of no hopers in Lester and Keeley and picks up the latino HW title in Mexico.


Now Tex is angling to use Paulino like he did Firpo. Promote him like he's something special and has a chance when in reality the champion is very sure of his superiority over this challenger.


Problem, Paulino would lose the final in this tournament to The Shadow George Godfrey.


Simple enough, just draw the color line and Gene doesn't have to fight. Instead Gene fights the last white man to draw Paulino; Tom Heeney.


Tex does not hide the fact George is being passed over because he's black. They said color line.

Godfrey was avoided lol we know that is true. This set of actions sounds plausible to me.

[billeau2]

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Tunney never stepped wrongly.
After twice defeating Dempsey, Instead of extending his reign beyond Heeney against the likes of Sharkey, Uzcudun, Delaney, Loughran, Godfrey, Maloney, Renault, Wills, Stribling, Risko, Montgomery, Persson, Berlenbach, DeMave, Slattery, Campolo, Hansen, Seifert, De Kuh, Munn, Dorval, Scott, Lomski, et el (A good crop); he smartly retired to enjoy married live with the love of his life, Polly Lauder Tunney, the heiress to the United States Steel fortune through her grandfather George Lauder and her great-uncle Andrew Carnegie, and live as one of the wealthiest people in the world into his 80's.

If anyone faults him for that; I'd suspect envy is the reason.

Just a poor Irish lad from Hell's Kitchen he was... Married a simple girl with a few potatoes in the bank

[billeau2]

Tunney openly admitted to drawing the color-line, didn't he? He stated very clearly that he wouldn't fight a Black man...other than Wills -- but I doubt that was even true. Also as far as I've seen, he was offered a go with Wills and he declined. Perhaps they have declined each other at times, but I haven't seen anyone except Tunney claim Wills declined. On the other hand, a third party promoter claimed Tunney turned down an offer from Wills.

Plenty of sources also say that Wills did indeed turn down Godfrey, but because no one was offering enough for him to consider it.

Yes he did... And I assumed Marg knew this when posting this, still do! . It also passes the "smell" test: Tunney lionized Corbet and in a slightly different way Dempsey. It was obvious Gene had a pride in being Irish and if a Black man and an Irish lad were up for a chance at the Gold Ring, no one would be mistaken for naive if they thought race might sway the likes of Gene Tunney.

[Dr Z]

Tunney openly admitted to drawing the color-line, didn't he? He stated very clearly that he wouldn't fight a Black man...other than Wills -- but I doubt that was even true. Also as far as I've seen, he was offered a go with Wills and he declined. Perhaps they have declined each other at times, but I haven't seen anyone except Tunney claim Wills declined. On the other hand, a third party promoter claimed Tunney turned down an offer from Wills.

Plenty of sources also say that Wills did indeed turn down Godfrey, but because no one was offering enough for him to consider it.

WRONG. TUNNEY said he fight Wills . I posted the news offer here before.

[travestyny]

WRONG. TUNNEY said he fight Wills . I posted the news offer here before.

Can you read? I clearly stated he said he would fight him.

Whether I believe that is a different story. He was offered a fight and declined. Only he knows if there was good reason for him to have declined.


Why not repost your news offer here since it's part of the conversation. That would be the prudent thing to do instead of embarrassing yourself with poor reading comprehension skills.

[solidman]

Tunney wins. Tunney an all time great.

[Marchegiano]

"George was avoided" is only part the story I meant to tell.


Paulino was promoted and protected.

Gene was promoted and protected.

Jack was so protected by this stage he told promoters how many fights he's willing to fight.

Godfrey, in contrast, is actively conspired against.

Some here already feel the need to hand Tunney, the heap of HW fights he had, the benefit of doubt over Godfrey.


He did beat higher rated opponents after all. Nothing about his reign, record, or legacy should be held with contempt given the racists who hold back Godfrey are the racist who rate Gene and the men he fights.



I wonder, if I ask about Primo will the cuffs even be mentioned?












We will pretend George beat these white men up for round after round, one sided, then DQ'd himself out repeatedly throughout his career because he was a dirty fighter. Gee ... I wonder ... what hand wrought this consensus?

[QueensburyRules]

Pollack's 3rd volume on Dempsey confirms Tunney was willing to fight Wills , and gives multiple sources to support it.

Wills understandably thinking he had already done enough to qualify for his title shot and aging now, refused to meet him.Wills also turned down a fight with Godfrey.

- - Glad Pollard was astute enough to fill in this gap that the usual dolts mangle. I agree Wills was given the run around, but not by Dempsey and not by Tunney.

And as far as Godfrey goes, he was one of the dirtiest fighters of his era, yet ironically little Sam Langford KOed him the only time they fight when Sam was clearly past his best.

[Bronson66]

- - Glad Pollard was astute enough to fill in this gap that the usual dolts mangle. I agree Wills was given the run around, but not by Dempsey and not by Tunney.

And as far as Godfrey goes, he was one of the dirtiest fighters of his era, yet ironically little Sam Langford KOed him the only time they fight when Sam was clearly past his best.

Godfrey fought Langford twice
17th Nov 1920 . Langford won by2 rd ko. Godfrey was 5-1-1

17th Aug1921,Langford won by1 rd ko. Godfrey was 6-3-1

[QueensburyRules]

Godfrey fought Langford twice
17th Nov 1920 . Langford won by2 rd ko. Godfrey was 5-1-1

17th Aug1921,Langford won by1 rd ko. Godfrey was 6-3-1

- - And Godfrey was once Dempsey's sparring partner until the day he hit Jack with his signature low blow that triggered a one punch KO by Jack in termination of his duties...yahoooo...