Poll: Your Best Technical (Pure) Boxer Ever

[Willie Pep 229]

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Johnson bricked it as was his habit, plain and simple. After this fight Jeff stated he was retiring after having taken care of all worthwhile contenders.


Jack Johnson vs. Marvin Hart

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Jump to navigationJump to search Jack Johnson 191 lbs lost to Marvin Hart 192 lbs by PTS in round 20 of 20

• Date: 1905-03-28
• Location: Woodward's Pavilion, San Francisco, California, USA
• Referee: Alec Greggains

• Pre-fight article: [1]

"Marvin Hart was awarded the decision over Jack Johnson in a twenty-round contest last night that went the limit, but he came far from demonstrating that he is qualified to meet Jim Jeffries. Hart was game and kept boring into the big colored man all through the fight. Johnson's much-vaunted cleverness did not count for much. While he was able to hit Hart frequently, his blows did not seem to damage the white man from Kentucky. The sympathies of the large crowd were openly with Hart, who was at the short end in the betting, and every lead he made at Johnson, whether he landed or not, was greeted with cheers. Hart managed to deal the only effective blow in the eleventh round, when he landed a right swing on Johnson's jaw that staggered the black man and nearly knocked him over. Referee Greggains stated that he gave the decision to Hart, because all through the fight Hart did all the forcing and leading. According to Greggains, if Hart had not pursued his tactics there would have been no fight, as Johnson merely contented himself with countering. Hart's face was battered to a pulp, but Johnson's blows did not seem to have much sting to them. Johnson did a great deal of uppercutting, but Hart covered up and the blows did not seem to hurt him." (Washington Post)


Jump to navigationJump to search Jack Johnson 214 lbs drew with Battling Jim Johnson 223 lbs by PTS in round 10 of 10

• Date: 1913-12-19
• Location: Élysée Montmartre, Paris, Paris, France
• Referee: Emile Maitrot
• Judge: Franz Reichel
• Judge: M Oudin

• World Heavyweight Championship (7th defense by Jack Johnson)

Notes

• This was the first World Heavyweight Championship fight fought between two black fighters.
• On November 6, 1913, the International Boxing Union met in Paris and voted to withdraw recognition of Johnson as world champion because he "persistently refused to meet his challengers and because of his conviction of white slavery." Johnson had come to Paris several months earlier from Chicago, where he had been convicted of violating the Mann Act.
• The December 20, 1913, edition of the Saskatoon Phoenix (Saskatoon, Canada) stated:

Jack Johnson, the heavyweight champion, and Battling Jim Johnson, another colored pugilist, of Galveston, Texas, met in a ten-round contest here to-night, which ended in a draw. The spectators loudly protested throughout that the men were not fighting, and demanded their money back. Many of them left the hall. The organizers of the fight explained the fiasco by asserting that Jack Johnson's left arm was broken in the third round. There is no confirmation of a report that Jack Johnson had been stabbed, and no evidence at the ringside of such an accident. During the first three rounds he was obviously playing with his opponent. After that it was observed that he was only using his right hand. When the fight was over he complained that his arm had been injured. Doctors who made an examination certified to a slight fracture of the radius of the left arm. The general opinion is that his arm was injured in a wrestling match early in the week, and that a blow to-night caused the fracture of the bone.

• A cabled article printed in the Evening World (New York City) stated:

Jack Johnson barely missed losing his heavyweight championship in a ten round bout here last night. Jeffries' conqueror met Battling Jim Johnson, a big negro from Memphis Tenn. and barely lasted through the final round. He was tottering and groggy at the finish. A few rounds more and he might have been knocked out. . . . In the last minute of the fight the Memphis negro rushed Johnson to the ropes and in a mixup both went to the floor, with Jack's arm around Jim's waist. Both were on their feet quickly but Jack looked exhausted just as the final bell rang. It is possible that Jack hurt his arm in the fall to the floor. . . . In the seventh round the Memphis man succeeded in breaking down Jack's guard and three times after landing on the body grazed Jack's jaw with terrific uppercuts

Yeah! The ChatGPT writes more concisely than I do.

I let it write the main point then I add the flowering.

Got to be careful though, it makes mistakes.

I try to only use it for things I already know (believe) to be true.

I try to warn the reader and italicize the quote.

[Anomalocaris]

Surely the best pure defensive boxer in history was Rocky Balboa?

From being a washed up bum in his mid '30's until fighting world champions in exhibition matches in his '60's he developed the superb technique of using his face and chin to wear out his increasingly younger and more powerful opponents.

The plan against that dirty Commie Drago was strategic perfection. Simply taking hundreds of multi-ton punches until Ivan slumped to the canvas due to exhaustion was a stroke of genius.

Adrian!!!

[Bronson66]

Yeah! The ChatGPT writes more concisely than I do.

I let it write the main point then I add the flowering.

Got to be careful though, it makes mistakes.

I try to only use it for things I already know (believe) to be true.

I try to warn the reader and italicize the quote.

I could post multiple reports that sayJohnson was robbed against Hart ,and was never in any trouble against Johnson in fact two reports said the challenger was the one in trouble at the end, and the champion was fighting with a broken arm,but haters got to hate.

I'll content myself by saying Johnson's courage was proven time and again.
Two days before the Jeffries fight somebody fired a shot at his training quarters and the crowd for the fight were overwhelmingly pro Jeffries.Johnson's reaction to all the insults was to smile at them.

Johnson out of shape ,37 years old, put up a great fight for 26 rounds against the giant Willard and was in front after 20 rounds,before being overwhelmed.That is not the action of a man who lacks guts.

There are two ****** people on this forum Z,and the fool who made the original post about Johnson bricking it.
Apart from both being ****** .they have something else in common,they are both Johnson haters.
This excerpt made me smile.

"Hart's face was battered to a pulp, but Johnson's blows did not seem to have much sting to them."

[Anomalocaris]

I could post multiple reports that sayJohnson was robbed against Hart ,and was never in any trouble against Johnson in fact two reports said the challenger was the one in trouble at the end, and the champion was fighting with a broken arm,but haters got to hate.

I'll content myself by saying Johnson's courage was proven time and again.
Two days before the Jeffries fight somebody fired a shot at his training quarters and the crowd for the fight were overwhelmingly pro Jeffries.Johnson's reaction to all the insults was to smile at them.

Johnson out of shape ,37 years old, put up a great fight for 26 rounds against the giant Willard and was in front after 20 rounds,before being overwhelmed.That is not the action of a man who lacks guts.

There are two ****** people on this forum Z,and the fool who made the original post about Johnson bricking it.
Apart from both being ****** .they have something else in common,they are both Johnson haters.
This excerpt made me smile.

"Hart's face was battered to a pulp, but Johnson's blows did not seem to have much sting to them."

Johnson was brave to the point of insanity.

Can you imagine the pressure of fighting Jeffries in that febrile atmosphere of racial hatred?

He must have half expected to be shot dead at any time.

Whatever people think of him as a man or a fighter a lack of courage was certainly NOT one of his faults.

[Mr Mitts]

I can still trade in Corbett for Whitaker and I am going to.

[Marchegiano]

Crazy to me y'all can't read and comprehend what you are reading well enough to feel secure in a style of a man, but, when you watch a man with your own eyes perform more feats at the highest level you deny your eyes for what? Is text based facts is it?

Not bias at all. Not being unfair to Jim or Floyd at all like how this post isn't mocking that stance at all.


Can't know who Corbett was, but, Floyd isn't GOAT either because X's resume, you claim, is better? Don't see any issue with that at all huh? No glaring, obvious, issues popping out at all?

[Anomalocaris]

Corbett had the greatest arse cheeks in boxing history.

[Mr Mitts]

Lady Jim Corbett.

[Willie Pep 229]

Corbett had the greatest arse cheeks in boxing history.

Terry McGovern gave him a run for the money.

Hope I don't sound gay. Not that there is anything wrong with that . . . ETC.

[Anomalocaris]

Terry McGovern gave him a run for the money.

Hope I don't sound gay. Not that there is anything wrong with that . . . ETC.