The Harry Greb agenda?

[them_apples]

Marciano fought 4 black fighters who could be called ATG's Louis was 37,Walcott was 38 ,Charles was 33,Moore was 41.

Marciano was not smaller than either Charles or Moore.

Walcotts prime was 37

charles wasn’t washed up and Moore still went on to be champ

Charles outweighed rock in the second fight at 191 lbs

Marciano had 9 ammy fights - he learned how to box in the pros why does everyone overlook this talent


On Harry Greb though - if you look into him enough there is a well fleshed out version of who he was and what he was capable of

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Greb’s resume speaks for itself. Even if we don’t have film of his fights.

[them_apples]

Greb’s resume speaks for itself. Even if we don’t have film of his fights.

The detailed descriptions of how he fought are also very impressive. They had no film so they were good at it. All of them align with eachother. He didn’t box - he had his own style entirely made up and gave you no room
to breath. Every second of every round he was punching - and he achieved this by not just hitting point scoring areas but arms as well. It allowed him to punch constantly like he was hitting a heavy bag. He would move while he did this - confusing and overwhelming everyone he fought. Many would assume he would tire - but he trained in such a way as if it was a dance routine. There wasn’t any time for the opponent to time him or figure him out. In many articles he would pretend to tire in rounds 10-12 and come out in the later rounds faster and harder than at any point in the fight - this is how he took out kid Norfolk. He seemed like a deadly fighter that was obsessed with fighting.

[Willie Pep 229]

Greb's legacy. Why?

He fought often.

During the early career he fought in the big cities in the East.

During the popular period of his career he fought in New York, often.

His style was exciting.

His life style was exciting.

After his death, old men liked to talk about the 'night he did this or he did that,' caused they claimed to have been there.

There is no film to dispute his greatness or these old men, with any visual reality.

He fought at the height of the Golden Age of Sport.

He died at the height of the Golden Age of Sport.

He died young . . .

. . . before people could learn to hate him.
. . . before he could humiliate himself by being broke or punch drunk.

. . . or another way to say it . . . he made a pretty corpse.

1926 was a great year to die, or even a great year to lose, and still become legendary. E.g. Dempsey, Yankees, Notre Dame and Knute Rockne (all were toppled that year from one loss.)

There is something odd about the year. It was an exciting year.

Greb's popularity also benefited because he died from botched surgery. At the time of Greb's death (October 22nd) Rudolph Valentino's botched surgery death (August 23rd) law suit was in the newspapers as a national scandal.

When you die, if you want to die 'big'

1. Die during a slow news week
2. Have your death be an extrapolation of a current scandal; war; or political controversy. E.g. Pat Tilman.

No reason to get pissed at Greb for his bloated legend. He did no wrong. He did it right, no color line, no obvious ducks, he was worth the ticket price.

Lay off the guy.

P.S. (for Jab only) Dempsey would have massacred him. The sparring session story was set up so Floyd Fitzsimmons could get Greb bigger fights/paydays.

It happened during training for Billy Miske.

Miske Fight: That night Greb fought his hand picked opponent Charlie Wiggens, more exhibition than fight, and Fitzsimmons gave Langford a payday against Tate, a different Dempsey sparring partner. They were taking care of their guys.

So now today Dempsey has to eat 'Jab" dirt because he went along with the farce, let Greb show off for the reporters, and tried to help out his guys and friends Fitz, Greb, Langford Tate.

Dempsey would have "murdered" him? That's why no one could find the financial backing to meet Kearn's demand.

Love you bro!

P.S.S. I'll bet the reporters' who wrote those articles you point to, had a great steak dinner at Keens, curiosity of Fitzsimmons.

It was Floyd Fitzsimmons who managed Greb to the Tunney-Greb fights in 1922 and 1923 and then promoted the Tunney-Greb (IV) fight out West.

Greb was Fitzsimmons's guy. Fitz and Dempsey were buddies.

You got articles? I got an article (photo) of Fitzsimmons and the Dempsey celebrating New Years Eve 1924 with the wives.

[them_apples]

Greb's legacy. Why?

He fought often.

During the early career he fought in the big cities in the East.

During the popular period of his career he fought in New York, often.

His style was exciting.

His life style was exciting.

After his death, old men liked to talk about the 'night he did this or he did that,' caused they claimed to have been there.

There is no film to dispute his greatness or these old men, with any visual reality.

He fought at the height of the Goden Age of Sport.

He died at the height of the Golden Age of Sport.

He died young . . .

. . . before people could learn to hate him.
. . . before he could humiliate himself by being broke or punch drunk.

. . . or another way to say it . . . he made a pretty corpse.

1926 was a great year to die, or even a great year to lose, and still become legendary. E.g. Dempsey, Yankees, Notre Dame and Knute Rockne (all were toppled that year from one loss.)

There is something odd about the year. It was an exciting year.

Greb's popularity also benefited because he died from botched surgery. At the time of Greb's death (October 22nd) Rudolph Valentino's botched surgery death (August 23rd) law suit was in the newspapers as a national scandal.

When you die, if you want to die 'big'

1. Die during a slow news week
2. Have your death be an extrapolation of a current scandal; war; or political controversy. E.g. Pat Tilman.

No reason to get pissed at Greb for his bloated legend. He did no wrong. He did it right, no color line, no obvious ducks, he was worth the ticket price.

Lay off the guy.

P.S. (for Jab only) Dempsey would have massacred him. The sparring session story was set up so Floyd Fitzsimmons could get Greb bigger fights/paydays.

It happened during training for Billy Miske.

Miske Fight: That night Greb fought his hand picked opponent Charlie Wiggens, more exhibition than fight, and Fitzsimmons gave Langford a payday against Tate, a different Dempsey sparring partner. They were taking care of their guys.

So now today Dempsey has to eat 'Jab" dirt because he went along with the farce, let Greb show off for the reporters, and tried to help out his guys and friends Fitz, Greb, Langford Tate.

Dempsey would have "murdered" him? That's why no one could find the financial backing to meet Kearn's demand.

Love you bro!

they didn't want a middleweight to be heavyweight champion of the world. They wanted dempsey and Tunney to go at it - 2 good looking chaps that looked like heavyweights. This is clearly what happened.

Greb biggest mistake in his own words "sparring Dempsey, now he won't ever fight me"

[Willie Pep 229]

they didn't want a middleweight to be heavyweight champion of the world. They wanted dempsey and Tunney to go at it - 2 good looking chaps that looked like heavyweights. This is clearly what happened.

Greb biggest mistake in his own words "sparring Dempsey, now he won't ever fight me"

Check the timeliness. That logic does not hold any water. None of the pieces were in place for anyone to even be thinking that logic.

[Willie Pep 229]

they didn't want a middleweight to be heavyweight champion of the world. They wanted dempsey and Tunney to go at it - 2 good looking chaps that looked like heavyweights. This is clearly what happened.

Greb biggest mistake in his own words "sparring Dempsey, now he won't ever fight me"

Incidentally who is "they" ?

[them_apples]

Check the timeliness. That logic does not hold any water. None of the pieces were in place for anyone to even be thinking that logic.

thats why they robbed Greb vs Tunney.

In comptons book they were discussing a bout between Tunney and Dempsey for a while

[them_apples]

Incidentally who is "they" ?

the richest men who made the events happen. the ones the banks know by their first name. The ones who get loans. Money is created in a bank and is collected at a bank. no argument here

[Willie Pep 229]

the richest men who made the events happen. the ones the banks know by their first name. The ones who get loans. Money is created in a bank and is collected at a bank. no argument here

Who is they? Is it . . .

. . . Tex Rickard, Floyd Fitzsimmons, Joe Freeze, NYSAC, NBA, that Pittsburgh promoter who couldn't fund more than 100K, or maybe Tex McGovern, Billy Gibson, Jack Curley, or Jim Brady?

Are you suggesting there are other men, bankers maybe, who actually secretly controlled boxing and could dictate who fought whom? Come on!

it's . . .


$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Who in your mind had the power to stop any of the men mentioned above, if the money was there to be made?

Who are 'these powers to be' you speak of?

There never was any offer made for a Greb-Dempsey fight other than one made in fall 1922, for 100K, from a pittsburgh promoter, who wanted to stage the fight in Pittsburgh. He was 200K below Kearns' asking price and was only offering Pittsburgh.

The fight was never viable. The crowd wasn't interested enough.