The President Vs Lennox Lewis

[JAB5239]

This is like a flashback to 2007 The irony is, I think what triggered the original argument you had with Captain Everclear was after I went on a spate of posting my Top-12 ATG lists in 2007 and he was slagging them without offering any alternative to them

He won't post his own list because he knows his opinions are ridiculous and misplaced out of bias and hate.

[tokon]

In fact, I'm not looking at those fights only. For me, Lewis only really shone against Ruddock, Golota, and Grant. Namely, when he immediately found punches to solve matters quickly. I'll also add good boxing performances here and there (the Tua fight comes to mind).

For the rest...

- Beat the drugged corpse of Tyson (and he's bragging about this "legacy-defining win" to this day)
- Was not that impressive against Holyfield, both times
- Was behind against Bruno before finding a Hail Mary to save him
- Went life and death with Mercer and Vitali
- Was almost knocked down by Shannon Briggs.

In a nutshell: Lewis is overrated.

I recall watching the fight at the time and thought Mercer beat Lewis.
I'll have to get around to rewatching it sometime.

[Poet682025]

He won't post his own list because he knows his opinions are ridiculous and misplaced out of bias and hate.

Hate is all he has. Must be pretty fu cking miserable to spend your whole life wallowing in bile and venom, but I guess that's what drove him to the bottle. Lord Wino call your office

[QueensburyRules]

He won't post his own list because he knows his opinions are ridiculous and misplaced out of bias and hate.

- - Git thee minders to translate to U goobering lake slobber.

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/boxing-forums/boxing-history/138366-top-10-heavies-from-best-to-worst

[JAB5239]

- - Git thee minders to translate to U goobering lake slobber.

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/b...-best-to-worst

Been there and done that. No top 10 from this account or the other one you forgot the password to. If its there why not just repost it or give the post number?

[QueensburyRules]

Been there and done that. No top 10 from this account or the other one you forgot the password to. If its there why not just repost it or give the post number?

- - Git thee thy minder to provide U pearls. Been on this forum since before U was born...

[JAB5239]

- - Git thee thy minder to provide U pearls. Been on this forum since before U was born...

Been on here since before I was born and STILL haven't posted your top 10 all time heavyweights. Why you so scared?

Never mind. You have nothing to offer this forum but trolling and insults, just like you had nothing to offer on AOL.

[them_apples]

Ike, like Vits got his knockouts through volume punching and attrition. Tyson was also muscle bound but had the explosiveness, Tua as well. Whime the likes of Ike and Vits have top ko percentages i personally wouldn't classify them as one punch ko artists. If Old Lewis didn't get stopped by Vits, I don't think Ike would beat him at his best. Jmo.

I also wanna say Tyson was registering a lot more real KO’s in his early career where he was less muscle bound. In prison he started lifting a lot and probably got on gear in the second Holyfield fight - his Kos aren’t as spectacular. Holyfield took his best shots almost easily. I think of it as simply resistance getting in the way of proper punching form. Put on muscle is not the same as thoroughbred muscle. Just my opinion. I consider 212-215 lb Mike the hardest hitting version of himself. Had he trained like an animal and not had misconceptions about his size - I think a 195-200 lb Tyson would have been even deadlier. Tyson has no business being 215 but in his day they figured him too small - this was based on just an idea though. If Mikes working in the trenches and getting his weight down he would have been an explosive speed demon taking down giants (which he already was).

This is not to say highly conditioned - hard and strong muscles are not of benefit. this only comes from hard work and consistency however and it’s not gonna be made in the weight room doing powerlifting movements designed to increase the size of ones muscles.

[them_apples]

I recall watching the fight at the time and thought Mercer beat Lewis.
I'll have to get around to rewatching it sometime.

Problem with Lewis is he even overates himself and sometimes appears to underestimate opponents. More often than he should.

He underestimated Mercer, Rahman, Mcall, Vitali and even Holyfield. Mercer could have won as you said, Holyfield probably won one of them and this was Holyfield approaching his shopworn days. Vitali was also on his way to beating Lennox possibly - but the main point is Lewis showed up bordering on fat showing his lack of respect for Vitali. So Lennox is a hard one to rate H2H because he’s all over the place in regards to how he shows up on fight night.

I suppose the best version of Lennox would be the first Holyfield fight - he knows Holyfield is an experienced champion and thus you would think prepared for it and wanted to show the world his capability against a fighter who isn’t scared of him. The result was lacklustre. I still don’t figure IKE to be the one to dethrone Lennox though.

[tokon]

Problem with Lewis is he even overates himself and sometimes appears to underestimate opponents. More often than he should.

He underestimated Mercer, Rahman, Mcall, Vitali and even Holyfield. Mercer could have won as you said, Holyfield probably won one of them and this was Holyfield approaching his shopworn days. Vitali was also on his way to beating Lennox possibly - but the main point is Lewis showed up bordering on fat showing his lack of respect for Vitali. So Lennox is a hard one to rate H2H because heâÂÂs all over the place in regards to how he shows up on fight night.

Well maybe that Lewis overrated himself and often underestimated his opponent, was all over the place etc is a major factor in rating him!
Thanks.