Ali vs. Foreman. 50 years ago

[billeau2]

- - The Fight itself was epic because of George persevering after not being able to spar because of a horrific cut suffered the first day he arrived. Then he was held hostage and forced to live in an abandoned military quarters while Ali was being feted by one of the most murderous Kleptocratic Rulers in African History.

Ali took such a horrific beating that Ferdie and Herbert refused to let him fight the $10Mil 50/50 split financed by a black Indonesian Oil tycoon in Indonesia.

I must say that was the most epic combinations to finish the fight that Ali pulled off, yet still the specter of George's drugging by Saddler in the dressing room before and the short count Clayton administered while George was rising is another level of contamination. And it ain't a stretch to say DKing who was part of the promotional team was also involved as his copious M/O has shown through history.

Of course! Only Eastern Euro fighters and Joshua win fair and square to Ginny, any other figher? it is a conspiracy!

1. Your foolishness knows no bounds, it is rumored to precede the Big B a n g.
2. The existence of gravity to you is a collective hallucination originally perpetuated by Galileo when he described the orbit of Jupiter's moons.
3. To You? Usyk never lost a fight fair and square including his olympic record which you say should count... Ali never won a fight fair and square... Vlad was drugged through his skin, a man with Giagantism is an all time great, and Joshua is a perpetual victim...

YOU! are the only conspiracy and the evidence of YOU is the stench of stale Gin. The conspiracy is how your brain can do simple tasks in a perpetual alcohol haze... oh wait!! Never mind there is no conspiracy because YOU are incapable of doing simple tasks! Carry on...

[QueensburyRules]

yes but you are forgetting the most important thing queeny and that is that mubuto sese seiko's witch doctor put a curse on foreman that a women with trembling hands would get to foreman and destroy him. have you not seen when we were kings??? And I thought you knew your boxing history.
Don't you just love mubutu sese seiko? Wasn't he an angel of fair play???
I reckon the whole fight would have been completely different if it happened in new york but after foreman's eye cut he had to stay there seeing the public hate him and the whole thing got him down and that coloured the outcome. Foreman lost his mojo and ali had the momentum and the country all cheering him which upset foreman. Why don't you watch the movie queeny and understand more about mubutu sese seiko. And I thought you knew about bo............!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8q0M-2Ts4s

muhammad ali boooomayaee george foreman!

- - Some Africans and their descendants around the world still use voodoo and other mystical techniques for both Good and Bad, but they'd never answer to a data base like folks do for political polls.

Also see Santeria in Cuba that Fidel seems to have used as well.

[JAB5239]

- - Some Africans and their descendants around the world still use voodoo and other mystical techniques for both Good and Bad, but they'd never answer to a data base like folks do for political polls.

Also see Santeria in Cuba that Fidel seems to have used as well.

Foreman lost because Ali was the better fighter. George admits this. There was no voodoo, no santeria and no conspiracy. Ali had his number.

[QueensburyRules]

Foreman lost because Ali was the better fighter. George admits this. There was no voodoo, no santeria and no conspiracy. Ali had his number.

- - Foreman lost because he mysteriously suffered a vicious cut on his arrival in Zaire and was not allowed to train properly and or heal properly.

Then Saddler tried to drug him with at least partial success when Foreman realized he was guzzling a drug mix and spit out what he could.

I could go on and on about this dirty bout in a vicious murderocracy, but all dummies like U need to know his Ali nixed the immediate lucrative rematch in Indonesia to go get beat up by Wepner in Podunk, Ohio for peanuts.

The same Wepner that 3 fight novice dispatched poste haste much like U git dispatched every day...

[BattlingNelson]

- - Foreman lost because he mysteriously suffered a vicious cut on his arrival in Zaire and was not allowed to train properly and or heal properly.

Then Saddler tried to drug him with at least partial success when Foreman realized he was guzzling a drug mix and spit out what he could.

I could go on and on about this dirty bout in a vicious murderocracy, but all dummies like U need to know his Ali nixed the immediate lucrative rematch in Indonesia to go get beat up by Wepner in Podunk, Ohio for peanuts.

The same Wepner that 3 fight novice dispatched poste haste much like U git dispatched every day...

Foreman lost because he was counted out.

You put forth a couple of postulates. Can you provide your source for:

1: Foreman WAS NOT ALLOWED to train properly.

Who disallowed it? What specifically wasn’t he allowed to do? Run?

2: When was it Saddler tried to drug him? What drug was it?

[JAB5239]

- - Foreman lost because he mysteriously suffered a vicious cut on his arrival in Zaire and was not allowed to train properly and or heal properly.

Then Saddler tried to drug him with at least partial success when Foreman realized he was guzzling a drug mix and spit out what he could.

I could go on and on about this dirty bout in a vicious murderocracy, but all dummies like U need to know his Ali nixed the immediate lucrative rematch in Indonesia to go get beat up by Wepner in Podunk, Ohio for peanuts.

The same Wepner that 3 fight novice dispatched poste haste much like U git dispatched every day...

You could go on and on with your conspiracy theories. What you can't do is provide any evidence.

[Biledriver]

You could go on and on with your conspiracy theories. What you can't do is provide any evidence.

Every time I think the walking liquor cabinet can't get any more ridiculous, he says "Hold my 5th of Jack"

[JAB5239]

Every time I think the walking liquor cabinet can't get any more ridiculous, he says "Hold my 5th of Jack"

Lmao.....that's funny!!

[QueensburyRules]

Foreman lost because he was counted out.

You put forth a couple of postulates. Can you provide your source for:

1: Foreman WAS NOT ALLOWED to train properly.

Who disallowed it? What specifically wasn’t he allowed to do? Run?

2: When was it Saddler tried to drug him? What drug was it?

- - I first saw the bout on ESPN in the 80s with Foreman as guest. I was in West Texas without means to see the fight even if the few movie theaters had it. My only info was a 1 inch column in the newspaper saying Ali beat Foreman.

They broke the fight down with Foreman being counted out as he was on his feet rising at the 9 sec mark, a quick count in a tough fight.

Next, being a boxing fan I thumbed thru every Ali bio I could knowing his first autobiography was an Alice in Fairyland tale. I find out George Plimpton shouted out inside the opening minute that the fight was fixed. When I saw it first, I thought Foreman was drugged, and later Foreman said Saddler was able to partially drug with a water offering that Foreman was routinely denied for the bulk of his prefight to make him meaner in the ring.

The main thing is from all those bios is that Ali got the shyte beat out of him so bad that Ferdie and Herbert refused the $10Mil 50/50 rematch in Indonesia offer that Ali talked about in his Playboy interview after the fight.

Instead he went to Podunk, Ohio for peanuts to let Wepner beat him up before Ali worn down finally dispatched him. The same Wepner 200px-Chuck_Wepner_2.jpg 3 fight novice Foreman dispatched in a few rounds.

BTW, George in 81 fights went 349 rounds whereas Ali in 61 fights went 548 rounds, the reason he ended up in the pitiable condition he did.

[JAB5239]

- - I first saw the bout on ESPN in the 80s with Foreman as guest. I was in West Texas without means to see the fight even if the few movie theaters had it. My only info was a 1 inch column in the newspaper saying Ali beat Foreman.

They broke the fight down with Foreman being counted out as he was on his feet rising at the 9 sec mark, a quick count in a tough fight.

Next, being a boxing fan I thumbed thru every Ali bio I could knowing his first autobiography was an Alice in Fairyland tale. I find out George Plimpton shouted out inside the opening minute that the fight was fixed. When I saw it first, I thought Foreman was drugged, and later Foreman said Saddler was able to partially drug with a water offering that Foreman was routinely denied for the bulk of his prefight to make him meaner in the ring.

The main thing is from all those bios is that Ali got the shyte beat out of him so bad that Ferdie and Herbert refused the $10Mil 50/50 rematch in Indonesia offer that Ali talked about in his Playboy interview after the fight.

Instead he went to Podunk, Ohio for peanuts to let Wepner beat him up before Ali worn down finally dispatched him. The same Wepner 200px-Chuck_Wepner_2.jpg 3 fight novice Foreman dispatched in a few rounds.

BTW, George in 81 fights went 349 rounds whereas Ali in 61 fights went 548 rounds, the reason he ended up in the pitiable condition he did.

Plimpton never did that. But this may be what you're thinking of. Either way, Ali won fair and square.

One of the most unusual was George Plimpton’s. Jacques, the manager of the Intercontinental Hotel, had told him that “the word around the Kinshasa betting circles was that Muhammad Ali had been to see the best féticheur in Kinshasa—indeed, the same Pygmy that President Mobutu used—and that a considerable sum had been paid for the féticheur to cook up a hex against George Foreman.” Jacques explained to Plimpton that the spell would take the form of a succubus, a “beautiful girl with slightly trembling hands,” who would brush up against Foreman and grab his hand, slowly sapping him of his powers. Plimpton discovered that the Zaireans had been placing small fetish bags of herbs under the boxing ring, to affect the outcome of the fight.