Top 20 heavyweights all time

[Biledriver]

Really, is that why all of y'all movie stars break their backs to make it to Hollywood?

And all of your bands/singers break their backs to break in America?

Yeah, the world's bigger than America, sure.

But America's still a step above the rest of y'all, and y'alls best & brightest rushing here to try to make it proves it.

How many of our best & brightest are rushing to make it overseas?

Only in things we don't care about, like soccer

Hell, Floyd Mayweather became the best paid athlete in history from his sport without leaving Las Vegas for the last decade of his career.

This type of dude's ish (amongst other things) makes me embarrassed to be an American "They hate us because of our freedumb": No jacka ss, they hate us because 90% of us are congenital as sholes and act like it pretty much constantly

[The D3vil]

Ok but you just brushed over the fact that Messi got paid substantially more in Europe as opposed to America, meaning your entire point imploded on itself.

You say you don't care about Football, but it's the biggest sport in the world. So, there's that. And I don't like football myself but it is the biggest sport in the world. Most American sports are niche to America.

Ok, so your point on Mayweather, what are you going to tell me, that he didn't use PEDs either? Or there isn't a high chance he did? So that's again another terrible point you've tried to make there in regards to your position of "being famous means they can't have used PED's" in regards to Mike Tyson which is just a very strange and just flat out incorrect line of thinking (to put it loosely).

I never said that Mike Tyson couldn't have used PED's because he was famous.

I said, what are the odds that somebody THAT famous would be able to use PEDs without ANYBODY coming out to say something about it?

Again, Lance Armstrong had everybody coming out the woodwork for YEARS screaming he was using, so did Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa, and all the baseball cheaters.

Mike Tyson was as big as it got and yet you got not one credible person making an allegation?

And you gotta be a Holyfield fan to just keep glossing over how he was caught up in ESPNs sting over & over again.

Where's Tyson's steroid doctor?

Where's ESPN catching him?

Where's his sparring partners, ex-trainers, & hangers-on to call him out. He had a ton of enemies, ex-wives, and haters.

Only thing Mike ever tested positive for was coke & weed, which EVERYBODY already knew he used. Hell, there's pics of him with coke in his nose back in the day.

[IronDanHamza]

I never said that Mike Tyson couldn't have used PED's because he was famous.

I said, what are the odds that somebody THAT famous would be able to use PEDs without ANYBODY coming out to say something about it?

Again, Lance Armstrong had everybody coming out the woodwork for YEARS screaming he was using, so did Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa, and all the baseball cheaters.

Mike Tyson was as big as it got and yet you got not one credible person making an allegation?

And you gotta be a Holyfield fan to just keep glossing over how he was caught up in ESPNs sting over & over again.

Where's Tyson's steroid doctor?

Where's ESPN catching him?

Where's his sparring partners, ex-trainers, & hangers-on to call him out. He had a ton of enemies, ex-wives, and haters.

Only thing Mike ever tested positive for was coke & weed, which EVERYBODY already knew he used. Hell, there's pics of him with coke in his nose back in the day.

The odds are reasonably high I would say.

Just because no one has said anything couldn’t mean any less. If Tyson were to be doing gear, not many people would even know. So it’s again a none-argument.

I very much understand Holyfield’s case is very suspect. Simply pointing out we don’t know if he did take anything, there’s no concrete evidence of that I.e a failed test.

The chances of both him and Mike Tyson being on PRDs is very high, is the point.

[The D3vil]

This type of dude's ish (amongst other things) makes me embarrassed to be an American "They hate us because of our freedumb": No jacka ss, they hate us because 90% of us are congenital as sholes and act like it pretty much constantly

Yeah, your type don't make me exactly "proud" to be American, either

[BKM-]

I never said that Mike Tyson couldn't have used PED's because he was famous.

I said, what are the odds that somebody THAT famous would be able to use PEDs without ANYBODY coming out to say something about it?

Again, Lance Armstrong had everybody coming out the woodwork for YEARS screaming he was using, so did Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa, and all the baseball cheaters.

Mike Tyson was as big as it got and yet you got not one credible person making an allegation?

And you gotta be a Holyfield fan to just keep glossing over how he was caught up in ESPNs sting over & over again.

Where's Tyson's steroid doctor?

Where's ESPN catching him?

Where's his sparring partners, ex-trainers, & hangers-on to call him out. He had a ton of enemies, ex-wives, and haters.

Only thing Mike ever tested positive for was coke & weed, which EVERYBODY already knew he used. Hell, there's pics of him with coke in his nose back in the day.

Wow this is still going on? You're in denial, kid.

People are not coming out claiming Tyson was on roids because back then boxing was not a heavily tested sport like track and field, cycling etc. Did you not pay any attention earlier. There was no drug testing in the 80s when he was coming up. They started a weak form of testing in the 90s where all the dates of the urine tests were known so anybody with a good dealer would know to cycle properly so that the test would come up clean. Or just use a fake penis with clean urine like Tyson did.

Also, most of them are either dead or have no reason to out Tyson because they would also be outing themselves, you understand? PED use in sports has always been a heavily guarded secret that people take to their graves. Certainly in that era. Mayweather jr. has never been caught with PEDS but there are a lot of stories and claims about him using. That's because 1-In his era the sport entered a more drug tested era and 2-More people have been talking or had reasons to out him.

You're fully convincved Holyfield was using right? Other than the "Evan Fields" story where are all the details of his PED use? Where are all his failed tests? Where are his "steroid doctors" talking in detail about shooting him up? Where's ESPN catching him? You're contradicting yourself.

You have to start realizing this sport has always been corrupt, there are many millions of dollars at stake. It's a dirty business, I'm sure you've heard. They take any edge they can get. A trainer shooting up a young talented kid has always been common, these kids are investments. Yeah Cus was a nice guy who loved helping kids, but he loved money and glory too. You have to get over this hurdle of Tyson being your childhood hero who was this genetic monster who could have never used PED's.You're not being objective because you're already rejecting the premise based on your emotions.

[QueensburyRules]

The odds are reasonably high I would say.

Just because no one has said anything couldn’t mean any less. If Tyson were to be doing gear, not many people would even know. So it’s again a none-argument.

I very much understand Holyfield’s case is very suspect. Simply pointing out we don’t know if he did take anything, there’s no concrete evidence of that I.e a failed test.

The chances of both him and Mike Tyson being on PRDs is very high, is the point.

- - Context and Time lines would be friends of this forum if they only knew how to use them.

Field turned pro as a mature skinny LH to blow up 40 lbs.

Tyson the short, muscly overweight teen had to lose wt to get to 215. Cus ran an old school training regime.

When Tyson went to prison, he’d have been exposed to steroids and weightlifting and ended up with some Biker as his trainer in his heavily sedated in experimental psychotropic drugs in his comeback to earn back his $50 mil Annuity King stole from him.

He earned more than that, to no avail as his tragic train wreck played out in public slomotion.

[IronDanHamza]

- - Context and Time lines would be friends of this forum if they only knew how to use them.

Field turned pro as a mature skinny LH to blow up 40 lbs.

Tyson the short, muscly overweight teen had to lose wt to get to 215. Cus ran an old school training regime.

When Tyson went to prison, he’d have been exposed to steroids and weightlifting and ended up with some Biker as his trainer in his heavily sedated in experimental psychotropic drugs in his comeback to earn back his $50 mil Annuity King stole from him.

He earned more than that, to no avail as his tragic train wreck played out in public slomotion.

Just kill yourself and get your sad life over with.

[Biledriver]

Yeah, your type don't make me exactly "proud" to be American, either

Princess, go look in the mirror and hang your pathetic head in shame at the worthless oxygen thieving man-child that looks back at you. That a grown ass adult like you is man-crushing an athlete like a teen who's balls just dropped is just gross and creepy. Your ma surbation-like nationalist di ck stroking could be a case study in the most toxic garbage that afflicts the world. Now do everybody a favor and look up the letters FO and follow the directions you find. Ignored for wasting my time with juvenile bullsh it and toxic stu pidity.

[QueensburyRules]

Just kill yourself and get your sad life over with.

- - More death notices by your soft lad life towards me...Sweet...

[The D3vil]

Wow this is still going on? You're in denial, kid.

People are not coming out claiming Tyson was on roids because back then boxing was not a heavily tested sport like track and field, cycling etc. Did you not pay any attention earlier. There was no drug testing in the 80s when he was coming up. They started a weak form of testing in the 90s where all the dates of the urine tests were known so anybody with a good dealer would know to cycle properly so that the test would come up clean. Or just use a fake penis with clean urine like Tyson did.

Also, most of them are either dead or have no reason to out Tyson because they would also be outing themselves, you understand? PED use in sports has always been a heavily guarded secret that people take to their graves. Certainly in that era. Mayweather jr. has never been caught with PEDS but there are a lot of stories and claims about him using. That's because 1-In his era the sport entered a more drug tested era and 2-More people have been talking or had reasons to out him.

You're fully convincved Holyfield was using right? Other than the "Evan Fields" story where are all the details of his PED use? Where are all his failed tests? Where are his "steroid doctors" talking in detail about shooting him up? Where's ESPN catching him? You're contradicting yourself.

You have to start realizing this sport has always been corrupt, there are many millions of dollars at stake. It's a dirty business, I'm sure you've heard. They take any edge they can get. A trainer shooting up a young talented kid has always been common, these kids are investments. Yeah Cus was a nice guy who loved helping kids, but he loved money and glory too. You have to get over this hurdle of Tyson being your childhood hero who was this genetic monster who could have never used PED's.You're not being objective because you're already rejecting the premise based on your emotions.

Dude, when Hoyfield retired in the mid '90s due to heart failure, a key symptom of steroid use.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1994-04-27-sp-50878-story.html

Dude was literally caught in a steroid sting

https://nypost.com/2007/03/02/report-holyfield-used-alias-to-buy-steroids/

Stop the bullshxt.

Until you can show me anything close to that about Mike Tyson, there is no comparison.