How have Heavyweights grown in size?

[them_apples]

Another day another Apples size obsession. I touched on this in the other thread before it got deleted. Usyk only represents HW's of the past who were around his size. You should keep hiding behind Ali, because Usyk did not represent the smaller HW's of the older era's.

Well he was 200 and 6 ft 3 w a 78” reach for a good portion of his career.

should we make a list of similar sized heavies?

[BKM-]

Well he was 200 and 6 ft 3 w a 78� reach for a good portion of his career.

should we make a list of similar sized heavies?

Key word: portion. You should quit trying to shrink the man, it's rather laughable and disingenuous. He has aged and fully grown into his bigger size for a while now. At his most recent weight of 233 he did not look even the slightest bit "blown up", being able to effectively grapple against the much bigger opponent.

Current Usyk is a larger man than the vast majority of great HW's pre-1990. Trying to turn back the clock on the man and cherry picking versions is only an example of being disingenuous and insecure.

[them_apples]

Key word: portion. You should quit trying to shrink the man, it's rather laughable and disingenuous. He has aged and fully grown into his bigger size for a while now. At his most recent weight of 233 he did not look even the slightest bit "blown up", being able to effectively grapple against the much bigger opponent.

Current Usyk is a larger man than the vast majority of great HW's pre-1990. Trying to turn back the clock on the man and cherry picking versions is only an example of being disingenuous and insecure.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C7HsI8CI...h1bm0wcXM3MDFq

holyfield and Lewis are in their 50s. Holy almost 60.

Usyk doesn’t seem so huge to me.

Key word: portion: so let’s pick Lewis and Holyfields heaviest weights then.

he also looks like he’s on TRT.

also YOU are the one in every single post who drops in words like “insecurity” “mental health issues”. Every single time. That came from YOUR brain. I have had no issue with you at all I don’t even remember what you got mad about. You have been angry every since I posted a video hitting the bag as a teenager (I joined in 07). YOU legitimately sound insecure yourself. Every single time you seem to bring it up.

I’m not even saying this to troll you. You do sound extremely insecure. It bothers you to no end for some reason.

[QueensburyRules]

When the Cruiserweight division was added, it basically took all those "smaller" heavies and put them in a new weight class. Light heavyweight's aren't even allowed to make heavyweight unless they get fat or do PEDS (correct me if I am wrong).

So that leaves the heavyweight division, the only fighters in this division are the heaviest men around. This includes a large proportion of fat, even obese men - or those who are simply not built for boxing at all - body builders. we can't possibly say a guy like Ruiz or Chisora are actually bigger heavyweights as a result of genetics, these guys are clearly carrying way too much mass and may be the reason they are even heavyweights in the first place. Ruiz is barely 6 ft tall.

We know that these men always existed. Carnera, Willard, Simon, Buddy Baer etc. these guys were all 240-270 in weight and 6 ft 4 - 6 ft 7 in height.

The only difference is now these guys are in a separate weight class. For a smaller man to beat them they have to move up and make weight. Heavyweights didn't grow or get better. Ali would have schooled Fury more impressively than what Usyk pulled off.

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[Dr. Z]

Jimmy young isn�t a chump. Even the under trained worn out Ali is still to much for Fury. Jimmy young is too much for Usyk.

Usyk is natural at 200. And thats at his biggest. 223 is him BULKING. Anyone can bulk. This is why I used the Duran analogy - he hit 260. Usyk is not a huge heavy and wouldn�t stand out as big either. He�s **** on average, he�s not even big for the 1900s. 6 ft 3 and a 78 reach is nothing spectacular.

No an in shape Ali would lose to as in shape Fury @ 35 years old each.

A prime Ali however would likely decision a primeFury.

[Willie Pep 229]

What was Usyk's weight for the Fury fight?

I see people using 233 in their arguments and I see others say 223.

[BKM-]

https://www.instagram.com/p/C7HsI8CI...h1bm0wcXM3MDFq

holyfield and Lewis are in their 50s. Holy almost 60.

Usyk doesn�¢����t seem so huge to me.

Key word: portion: so let�s pick Lewis and Holyfields heaviest weights then.

he also looks like he�¢����s on TRT.

also YOU are the one in every single post who drops in words like �¢����insecurity�¢���� �¢����mental health issues�¢����. Every single time. That came from YOUR brain. I have had no issue with you at all I don�¢����t even remember what you got mad about. You have been angry every since I posted a video hitting the bag as a teenager (I joined in 07). YOU legitimately sound insecure yourself. Every single time you seem to bring it up.

I�m not even saying this to troll you. You do sound extremely insecure. It bothers you to no end for some reason.

Did you short circuit or did your recent sparring already cause this much CTE?? Clean up that mess because I can hardly read your post.

What is the point of that pointless photo you just posted? The men you pointed out are heavily covered up with thick clothing. Even then, it's still obvious Usyk is bigger than the elderly man to his left and smaller than the elderly man to his right just they would have been in all their prime forms.

If this is your scientific method in determining size differences between HW's then lets just say it's good you went into the tattoo industry. The reason I keep calling you insecure is because you haven't overcome your insecurity yet and keep displaying it here with daily new threads. Just go through your threads list and look at how many are all about old HW's not being too small and modern big HW's being overrated. A complete obsession.

Just accept that you are a small man compared to the rest of the population and that hyping up smaller boxers from the past against the bigger boxers of today is not some kind of mental compensation.

[them_apples]

Did you short circuit or did your recent sparring already cause this much CTE?? Clean up that mess because I can hardly read your post.

What is the point of that pointless photo you just posted? The men you pointed out are heavily covered up with thick clothing. Even then, it's still obvious Usyk is bigger than the elderly man to his left and smaller than the elderly man to his right just they would have been in all their prime forms.

If this is your scientific method in determining size differences between HW's then lets just say it's good you went into the tattoo industry. The reason I keep calling you insecure is because you haven't overcome your insecurity yet and keep displaying it here with daily new threads. Just go through your threads list and look at how many are all about old HW's not being too small and modern big HW's being overrated. A complete obsession.

Just accept that you are a small man compared to the rest of the population and that hyping up smaller boxers from the past against the bigger boxers of today is not some kind of mental compensation.

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[them_apples]

What was Usyk's weight for the Fury fight?

I see people using 233 in their arguments and I see others say 223.

223 was his official weight