Which boxer pioneered boxing techniques as we know them today

[Ivich]

Louis actually had one of the most educated stances in boxing. He is one of the only guys that can walk forward offering almost nothing to hit. When people think of defense they always want to see someone duck or slip punches. They should learn to count punches that are actually landing on a fighter.

Louis frequently found himself stalking fighters, even those bigger than him. The reason being, his stance. Blackburn was a genius - literally. The way Louis stands, given he keeps facing you from this angle (he pivots on his back foot to ensure this) offers you 0 openings to hit him, without needing to do anything at all. If that isn't good defense, I don't know what is. There is a reason Schmeling had to find a "special" opening to even catch Louis. He was considered very hard to hit. And even in this situation, I think it had to do a lot with Louis underestimating him.

Furthermore, he adopts this shuffling, feet close to ground footwork - but magically finds himself in and out of position where and when he needs to be. That's because he has FAST feet but he is hiding it because he is a brilliant fighter. This was all Blackburns work.

Even down to Louis weight distribution of strong thick legs and a lean upperbody would indicate agility. The one thing missing in fighters today is deception.

Louis stalked fighters because he was always looking for the KO and usually had the superior firepower.

Though not slow,Louis did not have fast feet what he had was an all time great sense of positioning and ring geometry.

[Ivich]

Joe Louis's crouched over posture to the Side was used by Listons especially when Ali was wailing away at him. And Marciano had it all the time

Louis and Marciano were not remotely similar in their styles.

[automaton89]

Louis and Marciano were not remotely similar in their styles.

I was talking about posture

[Ivich]

I was talking about posture

Please expound further. Marciano crouched, Louis did not.

[automaton89]

I'm not sure I got the premise, based on how other replied, but I'll do like a cliff notes off the cuff all the same.

Kid McCoy = Corkscrew Punch

Tommy Ryan = Crouch

Roland LaStarza = Rope-a-dope

Joe Walcott = Shuffle

Joe Walcott = Sucka Punch ( but really his shoulders in general are fairly commonly used still)

Not a technique but it popped in my head so I'll share; William Fuller invented sparring for training and Tom Cribb had a very modern diet because his benefactor kind of invented dieting for training.

Edit: This one came to me as I was clicking away so I'll add it.

Melankomas is the first recorded instance where a defense first strategy is meant to have been used to great success.

And of course Broughton invented the boxing glove while pondering a statue of Theaganese.

The founders of modern boxing mechanics

[Ivich]

I'm not sure I got the premise, based on how other replied, but I'll do like a cliff notes off the cuff all the same.

Kid McCoy = Corkscrew Punch

Tommy Ryan = Crouch

Roland LaStarza = Rope-a-dope

Joe Walcott = Shuffle

Joe Walcott = Sucka Punch ( but really his shoulders in general are fairly commonly used still)

Not a technique but it popped in my head so I'll share; William Fuller invented sparring for training and Tom Cribb had a very modern diet because his benefactor kind of invented dieting for training.

Edit: This one came to me as I was clicking away so I'll add it.

Melankomas is the first recorded instance where a defense first strategy is meant to have been used to great success.

And of course Broughton invented the boxing glove while pondering a statue of Theaganese.

Ryan coached Jeffries to crouch ,but what evidence is there he invented the style?

Ryan himself fought from the then accepted upright position.

Fitzsimmons told Jeffries to lose the crouch as it gave away his height advantage.

Again what evidence is there that Lastarza invented the rope a dope, in which fights did he utilise it?

[Willow The Wisp]

Selected Benchmark champions in modern age boxing science:

Jack Broughton, 1736 Parry and fienting.
Tom Johnson, 1787 Hooking off the jab.
Daniel Mendoza, 1794 Combination punching.
Tom Spring, 1823, Lateral movement.
James J. Corbett, 1892, Modern approach via MOQ Rules.
Jack Dempsey, 1919 Fully modern.

No further developments of great significance after Dempsey:

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[automaton89]

Selected Benchmark champions in modern age boxing science:

Jack Broughton, 1736 Parry and fienting.
Tom Johnson, 1787 Hooking off the jab.
Daniel Mendoza, 1794 Combination punching.
Tom Spring, 1823, Lateral movement.
James J. Corbett, 1892, Modern approach via MOQ Rules.
Jack Dempsey, 1919 Fully modern.

No further developments of great significance after Dempsey:

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Who is credited with the overhand right?

[Willow The Wisp]

Louis stalked fighters because he was always looking for the KO and usually had the superior firepower.

Though not slow,Louis did not have fast feet what he had was an all time great sense of positioning and ring geometry.

Louis had an answer for those with speedy footwork.
"He can Run but he can't Hide".

[QueensburyRules]

Louis had an answer for those with speedy footwork.
"He can Run but he can't Hide".

- - Louis to taunting Ali, "I'd make you one of my Bums too."