The Fight That Guaranteed A HOFer's Spot In The IBHOF

[QueensburyRules]

Yeah, like Tommy Morrison after outboxing Foreman. Should've done that way more often in his career.

- - Not even close.

Morrison used clever footwork mixed with smart punching from angles.

Stiverne just bulled into Deyonce, keeping him on the ropes outworking him while never letting him get leverage needed for his big punch. I had Stiverne beating him, but it was no surprise that the GoldenBoy/Haymon project was going to win as American's last male Olympic Medalist/Bronze.

Deyonce cannot box, period. NEVER. Even football player Washington couldn't believe how easy it was for him to outbox the fraud.

[DeeMoney]

- - Not even close.

Morrison used clever footwork mixed with smart punching from angles.

Stiverne just bulled into Deyonce, keeping him on the ropes outworking him while never letting him get leverage needed for his big punch. I had Stiverne beating him, but it was no surprise that the GoldenBoy/Haymon project was going to win as American's last male Olympic Medalist/Bronze.

Deyonce cannot box, period. NEVER. Even football player Washington couldn't believe how easy it was for him to outbox the fraud.

I'll bite, though hesitantly. When you write, "outworking him" do you mean throwing more punches (as most people imply) or landing more punches, or something else?

[Willie Pep 229]

I'll bite, though hesitantly. When you write, "outworking him" do you mean throwing more punches or landing more punches (as most people imply)?

Sorry for intruding but I always felt that out-working an opponent implied that the one fighter threw more punches, but didn't necessarily land more punches.

But this also implied that the opponent wasn't landing much either, so the judges go with the guy whom they thought 'made the fight.'

Sought of an alterative scoring for a fight where neither fighter lands much; neither fighter lands any telling blows.

At least that's how I always interpreted the phrase.

Not sure I agree with the concept. I believe close rounds should be called even.

I may be the only person who agreed with judge Angelo Poletti who called ten rounds even in Duran-Lronard I. Although most would argue that Duran "out-worked" Leonard that night.

[DeeMoney]

Sorry for intruding but I always felt that out-working an opponent implied that the one fighter threw more punches, but didn't necessarily land more punches.

But this also implied that the opponent wasn't landing much either, so the judges go with the guy whom they thought 'made the fight.'

Sought of an alterative scoring for a fight where neither fighter lands much; neither fighter lands any telling blows.

At least that's how I always interpreted the phrase.

Not sure I agree with the concept. I believe close rounds should be called even.

I may be the only person who agreed with judge Angelo Poletti who called ten rounds even in Duran-Lronard I. Although most would argue that Duran "out-worked" Leonard that night.

Sorry, I meant to put the "(as most people imply)" after the throwing part, will adjust now.

[kara]

Sorry for intruding but I always felt that out-working an opponent implied that the one fighter threw more punches, but didn't necessarily land more punches.

But this also implied that the opponent wasn't landing much either, so the judges go with the guy whom they thought 'made the fight.'

I had the same interpretation

[QueensburyRules]

I'll bite, though hesitantly. When you write, "outworking him" do you mean throwing more punches (as most people imply) or landing more punches, or something else?

- - Both, it wasn't even close. The few punches Deyonce landed did squat all.

[DeeMoney]

- - Both, it wasn't even close. The few punches Deyonce landed did squat all.

I think you may be thinking of a different fight (maybe Wilder Ortiz 1) and thats why I asked your definition of "outworked"

In Wilder Stiverne 1 Wilder outthrew & out-landed Stiverne in 11 of 12 rounds. Even if you only count power punches Wilder clearly outthrew and out-landed the champ. Stiverne was relatively inactive for most of the first 9 rounds.

[Eff Pandas]

Duk Koo Kim

Thats dark. I'd go with his last W over Chacon or maybe even those super close losing fights with Bramble even tho Bramble never made the HOF himself.

[Eff Pandas]

Usyk's win over Joshua or Usyk's win over Gasaev?

I'd say AJ.

[Willie Pep 229]

Thats dark. I'd go with his last W over Chacon or maybe even those super close losing fights with Bramble even tho Bramble never made the HOF himself.

I was the guy who first bad mouthed Mancini but I want to add that Mancini gave us some really great fights, Bramble twice and Arguello plus Chacon and more. Heart and soul all the way.

I have always argued that it's the Hall of FAME not the hall of resume. So even though I am the one who first bad mouthed Mancini in this thread I was just making a quiet statement against the thread itself. I don't believe you can actually do what the thread calls for, and I think Mancini is a good example.

He simply does NOT have the resume to be considered an ATG, but yet he belongs in the Hall of Fame. He made the fight game more enjoyable, brought more fans to the game, and displayed, in spades, all the wonderful character attributes we embrace. He deserves to be singled out as special.