What if . . .

[Willie Pep 229]

I was watching Mayweather-Maidana II because of something queenie said . . .

But Mayweather's habitual running got me thinking: What if a fighter refuses to follow a runner, e.g. Pep, Mayweather Jr., or Camacho around the ring, and instead stands flat footed at ring center with his hands up waiting to engage.

The "Camacho" type fighter then does occasionally move in, but once an exchange occurs, he begins to move backwards again. The flat footed fighter then says no, and stays motionless at ring center.

How would you judge that fight? Does either fighter have an obligation to engage?

What I saw of the first three rounds of Mayweather-Maidana II left me annoyed. If I had been Maidana I would have retreated to ring center and waived Mayweather in. I would not chase him.

I wonder who the crowd would boo, and which way the judges would sway.

[Slugfester]

I've seen it. The ref just waves them back together. I have never seen it done repeatedly though. I think the ref would give the stubborn fighter a caution if he did it about twice more.

[Willie Pep 229]

I've seen it. The ref just waves them back together. I have never seen it done repeatedly though. I think the ref would give the stubborn fighter a caution if he did it about twice more.

Unfortunately I agree with you, that is likely what would happen.

But why do we think a fighter has an obligation to follow a runner around the ring?

Do that (run) in the amateurs and you get DQed. E.g. "Ingo" Johansson

[DeeMoney]

I have always wondered about this myself, and have wanted to se it. I think what you eventually would see is the non-runner plant himself in a corner, or on the ropes, to limit the angles at which the runner could attack him from. Then it ends up a matter of timing, where the runner hops in and then hops out, while the former chaser tries to time him better.


Allow me to add, that neither fighter has the obligation over another, and the judges should not award either a bonus point for making the other fight their fight, which is an asinine way to evaluate a fight. The crowd would most likely award the fighter against the ropes who is waving his opponent to engage, as they would recognize that the other was not engaging to begin with.

[Willie Pep 229]

I have always wondered about this myself, and have wanted to se it. I think what you eventually would see is the non-runner plant himself in a corner, or on the ropes, to limit the angles at which the runner could attack him from. Then it ends up a matter of timing, where the runner hops in and then hops out, while the former chaser tries to time him better.


Allow me to add, that neither fighter has the obligation over another, and the judges should not award either a bonus point for making the other fight their fight, which is an asinine way to evaluate a fight. The crowd would most likely award the fighter against the ropes who is waving his opponent to engage, as they would recognize that the other was not engaging to begin with.

Quarry-Ellis had shades of that dynamic. Jimmy wouldn't follow Jerry onto the ropes, Jimmy stood center ring and waved Quarry back.

Don't remember what the referee did, I was young. I should look and see how the referee handled that situation.

Not actually the same as a runner doe!

[Willie Pep 229]

I was shocked at how much Mayweather was running in Maidana II. He looked like Gene Tunney after the KD. Just plain avoiding contact. At least Tunney had an excuse, Money just circled and avoided. (I only watched the first two rounds.)

But Maidana of course, just foolishly chased him, playing right into TUE hand.

[Eff Pandas]

If the ref left them to their own devices for the whole fight to not engage ig as the judge I'd have it 120-120, 0-0-12. I'd assume the ref WOULD get involved at some point & DQ both or call a NC tho.

Randomly a mma minor league president went into the cage over a boring fight & stopped it & DQ'd both a couple yrs back.
https://www.businessinsider.com/mma-...-boring-2022-7

[kara]

Ive seen a fight or two where the fighter just stops and stands still, playing to the crowd that the other guy is running

[Slugfester]

Unfortunately I agree with you, that is likely what would happen.

But why do we think a fighter has an obligation to follow a runner around the ring?

Do that (run) in the amateurs and you get DQed. E.g. "Ingo" Johansson

I don't think that. I always want them to do what you said, but they never do except once.

[Marchegiano]

Money/TBE era Floyd gets the favor

PBF era Floyd does not.

IMO.