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    This is a tribute. It will change over time and I'm likely to create some original content but for now I'm just compiling info, vids, pics, general source material really. Feel free to add as you like, I will edit the first page as we make additions so nothing's terribly buried.






    Originally posted by beautyistruth View Post
    Great interview with the man himself... https://ringobserver.com/biofile-john-scully-interview/



    Iceman John Scully - Wikipedia

    'Iceman' John Scully (born July 28, 1967) is a former American boxer. Formerly a world-ranked professional light heavyweight, he is now a boxing trainer[1] who has trained two light heavyweight champions in Chad Dawson and Artur Beterbiev and is an analyst for the ESPN Classic television network. John is also known for his work with disadvantaged former fighters and charity for them as well as organizing events targeting former amateur standout fighters and reconnecting them with the boxing community.

    Amateur career
    Scully graduated from Windsor (Connecticut) High School in 1985. He began boxing in 1982 and won numerous championships at middleweight (165 pounds or 75 kilograms), including the 1987 Ohio State Fair (Columbus, Ohio), the 1987 National PAL (Jacksonville, Florida) and the 1988 Eastern U.S. Olympic Trials (Fayetteville, North Carolina).

    Scully defeated World 165-pound (75 kg) Amateur Champion Darin Allen to win the Eastern Trials, future heavyweight contender Melvin Foster to win the Ohio Fair, and nationally rated Kertis Mingo at the National PAL.

    Scully won Outstanding Boxer awards at both the 1987 Western Massachusetts Golden Gloves and the 1988 Eastern U.S. Olympic Trials tournaments.

    In February 1988, the 5 ft 10 in (1.78 m) boxer was named to the All-Time team (in the middleweight spot), for the WM Golden Gloves in Holyoke, Massachusetts, joining fellow standouts Mike Tyson (heavyweight) and Marlon "Magic Man" Starling (honorable mention at welterweight). Scully won four straight WM Golden Gloves titles (1985–1988) and three consecutive New England Golden Gloves titles (1986–1988).

    He defeated fellow future world-title challenger Joey DeGrandis to win the 1988 New England Golden Gloves championships.

    Scully also advanced to the championship round of the National Golden Gloves tournament on two occasions, losing on a 3–2 split decision in 1987 at Knoxville (to Fabian Williams of Michigan) and a highly disputed 3–2 call in Omaha in 1988, to Keith Providence of New York City.

    Scully also notably scored two decision victories en route to each of those national final appearances in 1987 and 1988 over hard-punching future WBC #1 Middleweight contender Lamar "Kidfire" Parks of Greenville, South Carolina.

    The "Iceman" concluded his amateur career with a Bronze medal winning performance at the 1988 U.S. Olympic Trials in Concord, California, defeating # 3 ranked Joe Hill of Omaha in the quarter-finals before losing a 4–1 decision to World Champion Darin Allen of Columbus, Ohio in the semi-final rematch of their Eastern U.S. Olympic Trials final just one month earlier.

    Scully turned professional with a final amateur record of 57–13 (not including two junior olympic bouts at age 15 and two exhibition matches).

    Professional career
    Scully turned professional in 1988 and finished his career in 2001 with a 38–11 record (21 knockouts). He fought for the International Boxing Federation world light heavyweight championship at Leipzig, Germany in 1996, losing a 12-round decision to unbeaten champion Henry Maske. On December 8, 1995, Scully fought two-time world champion Michael Nunn for the WBO NABO super middleweight title. Although ESPN commentators had the fight close, Nunn was awarded a unanimous win, including a curiously wide score on the card of judge Harold Gomes.

    His victories include a unanimous ten-round decision over Art Baylis (On Prime TV Network), a ten-round decision over WBC International 154-pound (70 kg) champion Billy Bridges at Harrah's in Atlantic City (on ESPN) and a second-round stoppage over former IBO 168-pound (76 kg) world champion Willie Ball at Foxwoods Resort and Casino in Connecticut.

    Scully also captured a November 1989 unanimous decision on USA's Tuesday Night Fights, over the former #1 nationally ranked 156-pound (71 kg) amateur Alphonso Bailey of Kentucky. Scully-Bailey was the co-feature to Simon Brown's IBF 147-pound (67 kg) title defense against Luis Santana.

    On May 22, 1992 at Agawam, Massachusetts Scully captured a unanimous 12-round decision over Southern Boxing Association champion Melvin Wynn of Atlanta, Georgia in a fight contested for the World Boxing Federation Intercontinental Super Middleweight title.

    Scully also frequently served as a sparring partner for some of the biggest names in the sport, including the highly regarded world champions Henry Maske, Mike McCallum, Vinny Pazienza, Roy Jones Jr. and James "Lights Out" Toney.

    In November 2010, "Iceman" John Scully was inducted into the fifth class of the Connecticut Boxing Hall of Fame at the Mohegan Sun Resort and Casino in Connecticut.​

    Post retirement career
    Scully trained several standout amateurs while pursuing his own boxing career, including 1997 National Junior Olympics Champion Sammy Vega, 1995 Ohio State Fair Champion Greg Cuyler, 1998 National PAL Champion Dwayne Hairston and 2000 U.S. Armed Forces Champion Orlando Cordova.

    Since 2001, has been successful as a professional trainer, guiding four boxers to world championships (WIBF Lightweight Champion Liz Mueller, WBA Junior Middleweight Champion Jose Antonio Rivera, IBO Super Bantamweight Champion Mike Oliver and WBC Light heavyweight Champion "Bad" Chad Dawson).

    The crowning moment may have been when he masterfully guided Rivera to the WBA Junior Middleweight Championship, with a clear points victory on Showtime over defending champion Alejandro "Terra" Garcia.

    Scully has also had a hand in the professional training of notable boxers Israel "Pito" Cardona, Matt Godfrey, "Sucra" Ray Olivera, Scott "The Sandman" Pemberton, Lawrence Clay-Bey, Matt Remillard, Francisco "The Wizard" Palacios and George "Monk" Foreman III.

    The Iceman also assists in the training camps of former world amateur champion and now IBF light heavyweight world champion Artur Beterbiev, who fights out of Montreal, Canada by way of Chechnya (head trainer is Marc Ramsay).

    He is considered an important part of the development of future WBC light heavyweight world champion "Bad" Chad Dawson. Scully first trained Dawson for three successful fights in 2004 and 2005 before unforeseen promotional problems caused Dawson to leave to train in Florida with Dan Birmingham.

    Scully and Dawson, however, reunited as a team early in the summer of 2011. Scully later guided Dawson to the biggest win of his professional career on April 28, 2012 at the legendary Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City, New Jersey. The HBO televised matchup saw Dawson capture a 12-round decision to take the WBC Light heavyweight title from legendary champion Bernard "The Executioner" Hopkins. Notably, when Dawson seemingly began to mentally falter at the halfway point of the match, Scully masterfully kept the challenger steady, focused and on track between rounds. The exceptional cornerwork was properly noted by HBO's ringside broadcast team of Larry Merchant, Emanuel Steward and Jim Lampley.

    Known for his insightful takes on the sport of boxing, especially his corner work between rounds of televised fights, Scully has written a highly praised boxing book entitled, "The Iceman Diaries" that details his life within the sport. He appears often on ESPN Classic, working alongside Joe Tessitore, as a ringside analyst for that network's ESPN Classic Boxing Series.

    A frequent and widely acclaimed columnist for Britain's "Boxing News" magazine, Scully has also been featured several times on ESPN News, before and after major fights, previewing and analyzing the action, including Pay-Per-View battles between Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Shane Mosley, and Manny Pacquiao and Miguel Cotto.

    In 2015 Scully joined the cast of the Nuvo-TV boxing reality show "KNOCKOUT" alongside Roy Jones Jr., Floyd Mayweather Sr. and Sugar Shane Mosley.

    Scully was inducted into the Connecticut Boxing Hall of Fame in November 2009 at the Mohegan Sun Casino. He was also inducted into the Billy C. Boxing Hall of Fame (along with Ernie Shavers and Marlon Starling) at South Glens Falls, New York on November 19, 2011.


    John Scully - BoxRec - Wiki​

    John Scully.jpg
    Name: John Scully
    Alias: The Iceman
    Hometown: Hartford, Connecticut, USA
    Birthplace: Hartford, Connecticut, USA
    Stance: Orthodox
    Height: 178cm
    Pro Boxer: Record
    Amateur Boxer: Record

    •Scully, a light heavyweight contender during the 1990s, is currently a boxing trainer in his native Hartford, Connecticut. •In 2013, making plans to move his family and set up his own gym to train fighters in Florida. •Trained Light Heavyweight champion Chad Dawson, left Chad following Andre Ward bout due to Chad not listening to his trainer in camp. [1] •Scully now works with southpaw welterweight prospect Javier 'El Chino' Flores. •Associated training-partner with Artur Beterbiev the super- LightHvywt. unified [IBF & WBC] champion. •Verified amateur record 57-13, never stopped or knocked down. Won bronze medal at Olympic trials (165 lb) of 1988 going 1-1 with world amateur champ Daren Allen in the process. Four time Western Region New England champion and won NE Golden Gloves three times. Amateur power-house in New England in his prime rated as high as No. 3 USA; holds one win against Canadian Otis Grant in a duel meet Canada vs Ireland; Ireland missing a 165 lb rep gave Scully a call to sub. Boxed for the most part from Hartford, but is a Windsor native.


    Best I Faced: 'Iceman' John Scully - The Ring (ringtv.com)

    Long before he became a boxing personality and trainer, John Scully was a contender in his own right.

    Scully was born in Hartford, Connecticut, on July 28, 1967. He grew up in nearby Windsor, a small, middle-class town.

    “It was not a particularly tough place to grow up, especially compared to inner-city Hartford, but it did have its difficult people and situations,” Scully told The Ring. “My mother and father were divorced when I was 5 years old, and from that point on I kind of lived a double life until I was 17 or so.
    “After many months of watching me box against imaginary opposition, my father finally brought me to a boxing gym in March of 1982 when I was 14, and essentially I’ve been there ever since.”








    “My father moved into a very run-down, cheap motel on the city line in my town because he wanted to be close to myself and my brother. My father was a salesman for a company that sold soda, candy and cigarettes, and very frequently when I was a kid I would go with him on his route, which would take all day as he would drive all the way to the shoreline in Connecticut and to Rhode Island, where he would go to store after store and take their orders.”

    Scully would spend the week living with his mother and the weekend and school holidays with his father.

    “[My father] grew up in the depression, and kind of roughing it was nothing new to him,” said Scully. “In a certain manner of speaking and thinking, when I was with my father we lived much, much differently than what my middle-class upbringing was used to. He had no refrigerator or stove, so we ate boxes and boxes of cereal, different kinds of cookies and sandwiches. In the winter he would keep the milk cold by putting the carton into a bucket and he would keep it right outside the door in the snow.”

    A victorious young Scully. (via Instagram)

    Before Scully was interested in boxing, he played baseball and football in the local leagues. When he was 12, he began to take part in a boxing league.

    “I would fight against other kids my age; I had nine fights and won them all,” he recalled. “I used to also pretend to box against imaginary opponents when I would stay with my father on the weekends, and I would do everything from score the rounds to announce the winner to doing the post-fight interviews in the mirror with a hairbrush doubling as a microphone. After many months of watching me box against imaginary opposition, my father finally brought me to a boxing gym in March of 1982 when I was 14, and essentially I’ve been there ever since.”

    Scully was the runner-up at the 1987 and 1988 Golden Gloves and lost at the semifinal stage of the Olympic Trials in 1988. After going 57-13 in the amateur ranks, he turned professional with a first-round stoppage over Paulino Falcone in September 1988.



    “My pro debut was at the Hartford Civic Center, the same building where I had gone as a kid to watch the Hartford Whalers [hockey team] play. And for this fight, I was using their dressing room to get ready,” Scully vividly recalled. “I knew that Paulino had actually won a Golden Gloves title in 1983. I caught him with some very hard bodyshots and either broke or fractured one of his ribs and stopped him early on. For me, the excitement didn’t just come from winning my pro debut, but it was also because it was held inside the Civic Center specifically and because it was fought in front of a record number of fans in the crowd in that building.”

    “The Iceman” reeled off 12 more wins in relatively quick succession on the East Coast before stepping up to face the more-experienced Brett Lally in Atlantic City in July 1989.

    Scully between Michael Olajide (left) and Michael Nunn. (via Instagram)

    “Lally was a very rough and determined professional with almost 30 fights under his belt, while I had been a pro for only nine months,” explained Scully, who lost a 10-round unanimous decision. “Having me fight at 160 pounds was a really horrible mistake on my trainer’s part, because the fact was that I hadn’t been at 160 pounds since I was a 16-year-old amateur and had recently even struggled to make 165 at the Olympic trials. I told him I needed to be at 168, but he insisted that middleweight was the most lucrative class to be in.

    “Bret was a ranked contender and a rough guy, but there is no way on this earth I was supposed to lose to him. I was the favorite going in, but he introduced me to real professional boxing. He fought his fight; he fought hard from the opening bell and he won the fight.”

    A move to super middleweight brought success at first, but after suffering back-to-back defeats against unbeaten USBA titlist Tim Littles (UD 12) and savvy veteran Tony Thornton (UD 10) in 1992 and ’93, Scully decided to try light heavyweight.

    Following an eight-win rebound, his next big fight came against the supremely talented Michael Nunn in December 1995.

    “Michael Nunn obviously had elite footwork, but when we fought I think he was trying to break me down and get me out of there,” said Scully, who lost a 12-round unanimous decision. It was enough, however, for Scully to get a world title opportunity in Germany against IBF 175-pound ruler Henry Maske in May 1996.

    via TBoxingVideos14 on YouTube



    “When I used to watch all the fights on TV as a kid, I always kind of assumed that both guys were at their best and came in fully prepared and that everything went perfectly in training camp and they were able to give their best, but that fight showed me that it’s not always that simple,” said Scully.

    “So many things go into performing properly in a fight at that level. The timing of that fight was a bit off for me because my mother was at home dying from cancer, and I was also being sued via a bogus lawsuit against me that I only found out about a couple days before I left for the fight. It eventually got thrown out in court a few months later.

    “I can remember there were so many people there — 14,000. I remember Henry walking to the ring and it kind of reminded me of Drago walking to the ring to fight Rocky.

    via Solaris on YouTube



    “During the fight, at times I felt pretty good, but his height and southpaw style gave me trouble. It was hard to time him and to let my hands go like I wanted to, because he was so tall and had a very good jab.”

    Scully would be defeated via a near-shutout decision. Unperturbed, he fought on against quality opposition like Graciano Rocchigiani (L UD 10) and Ernest Mateen (L UD 10/ L UD 8) and was stopped for the only time in his career by Drake Thadzi (L TKO 7).

    Scully retired from boxing in June 2001 with a record of 38-11 (21 knockouts). He remains heavily involved in boxing and has been the trainer of former WBA 154-pound titlist Jose Antonio Rivera and three-time light heavyweight titleholder Chad Dawson, and he is currently part of the team of unified light heavyweight champion Artur Beterbiev.

    Scully with light heavyweight titleholder Artur Beterbiev.

    And Scully himself still spars. “I like the feeling of it and I can still do it well enough,” he said. “I’ve sparred with well over 900 people in my life, including 36 world champions. Everyone from Roy Jones and James Toney to Vinny Paz, Henry Maske, Sven Ottke, Charles Brewer and many others in between.”

    Ever the good guy, Scully regularly raises funds and sends them to stricken former fighters such as Prichard Colon, Wilfred Benitez and Gerald McClellan.

    “A few years ago, I had heard that Wilfred was in need of something and I had a piece of memorabilia at my house that I didn’t really need, so I sold it online and sent him the money,” he explained. “I realized that I knew so many great people in the game that I had access to and realized if I could get them to sign different things, I could raise even more money for Wilfred.

    “From there, it led to Gerald and then Prichard and also a group of other former fighters whose situations are not widely known, and I prefer to keep it that way as long as possible.”

    Scully, now 55, lives in Windsor and is married to his high-school sweetheart after reconnecting in their mid-30s.

    He graciously took time to speak to The Ring about the best he fought in 10 key categories.



    BEST JAB

    Henry Maske: “Maske was a southpaw, very tall, and most effectively he used his height (6-foot-4) to full advantage; he used every bit of it. And with me being just under 5-foot-10, it was difficult to time and counter him. Most guys used a jab to set up other punches and to get closer to you, but Henry constantly, consistently used his jab to maintain full distance.”



    BEST DEFENSE

    Randy Smith: “I would say Randy Smith had the best defensive skills and instincts. Randy fought a couple dozen contenders and champions, and I see why he was never stopped or even knocked down. Before our fight, Johnny Bos warned me not to waste too many punches trying to hit Randy in the head, and he was right. I had to be more aggressive than usual and throw punches in bunches to the body to set up a few headshots, because Randy was very tricky, very slick and an excellent counterpuncher.”



    BEST HANDSPEED

    Tim Littles: “Looking back I think Billy Bridges and Michael Nunn had fast hands, but Tim Littles probably had the fastest. Tim was very energetic, very busy and had that youthful vigor. He was at his best and was able to let his hands go very reactively. His speed was hard to time and deal with.”



    BEST FOOTWORK

    Maske: “Maske showed a great deal of excellent footwork. One of the main things I noticed about him is that he used his legs to get himself at the proper distance that he needed, just stepping back and around me, just slightly out of my range as often as he could.”



    SMARTEST

    Maske: “Henry Maske was definitely the smartest of all the guys I fought as a pro. I say that because of his discipline and the fact that he was able to stick to his game plan without any veering off track even a little bit. He wasn’t interested in being macho or impressing the fans. Every time I worked my way inside, he would instantly tie me up and wait for the ref to break us up. I think it’s a bit of a cultural thing in that regard. American fighters are much easier to get out of their game plans and lure into rougher type fights either by being rough with them first or through a bit of trash talking, but Henry was very disciplined. I remember at one point I had worked my way inside and when he tied me up, I intentionally stepped on his toes with a lot of force, but he never acknowledged it, never got mad and tried to pay me back. He just got back outside, got back behind his jab and kept doing what worked so well for him.”



    STRONGEST

    Tony Thornton: “I had a tough time making weight for the Tony Thornton fight as well, but I do remember thinking that he was not only very strong but also very consistent. Most guys, you can feel their energy and strength decrease as the rounds go, but I do remember Tony being very, very consistently strong for each and every round. He felt as strong in the 10th round as he did in the first.”



    BEST CHIN

    Jose Vera: “Jose ‘Kid Cuba’ Vera had a phenomenal chin. Truth is, he was an opponent and a club fighter, but he came to fight and his chin was way above average. I was never a big puncher where I would often get guys out of there with one shot or anything, but there were times when I sat down and caught Jose with three or four or even five of my biggest shots in one clip and he would swallow them like he was eating candy. He was the type of guy who could have you thinking something was wrong with you, because you couldn’t hurt him at all. I [beat him twice on points and] eventually stopped him [in our third fight], but I stopped him with bodyshots and not headshots. He fought all our best guys — Buster Drayton and Drake Thadzi — and if they stopped him, it was either from a cut or from body shots like I got him with.”



    BEST PUNCHER

    Tim Cooper: “I think I’ve always had a very solid defense in that I was able to catch punches on my gloves, arms and shoulders, so a lot of times I didn’t catch a lot of shots flush and never actually felt the full force of their power. I was told beforehand that Art ‘Breeze’ Bayliss was a very big puncher, and while I didn’t ever catch anything overly worrisome from him to the head in our fight, I do recall that I couldn’t eat any food for several hours after our fight because the short bodyshots he threw had caused me some very serious belly cramps. Believe it or not, the other guy who I felt the power of was a journeyman named Tim Cooper. He had scored an early KO of contender Rocky Gannon, but Tim didn’t have a great-looking record on paper, so I just didn’t go in thinking to expect above-average power from him. Early in the fight, though, I let him inside because I wanted to feel his power, and I remember him catching me with a four- or five-punch combination that landed on my arms and shoulders, and instantly I remember thinking that I didn’t want to let him get through with any of those same punches to anywhere but my arms, gloves or the air around me. I think Bayliss was probably a bigger puncher than Cooper, but I didn’t let him hit me cleanly like he wanted to. So it’s odd, but I felt Cooper’s punches more.”



    BEST BOXING SKILLS

    Maske: “I think for pure boxing skills, I was in with some very high-level boxers in Billy Bridges, Tim Littles and especially the two-division world champion Michael Nunn, but in terms of boxing the way it was meant to be done, I would have to give the top spot to Henry Maske. He consistently used his range, height and jab and boxing brain more effectively than anyone else I fought as a professional. He literally fought like a textbook boxer, keeping very good distance while using his jab as both a rangefinder and as a weapon. He knew how to box purely at the highest level.”



    BEST OVERALL

    Maske: “I think Tim Littles and Michael Nunn were both magnificent and very sharp, skilled and talented, but I think Henry Maske was the overall best I faced. He was smart, very technical, had underrated power, put punches together and used the ring to his full advantage. He was an Olympic champion and 10 title defenses, undefeated world champion, and I saw up close why he was able to achieve these things.”















    I'll add as I do. Feel free to jump in, adding ****.
    Last edited by Marchegiano; 01-08-2024, 09:03 AM.

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    - - Not sure what you're getting at, but your convoluted record is incomprehensible.

    Scully training Beter takes up all of his time, plus his wife and daughter, so he's pretty busy, yet he's always been infinitely accessible and a treasure trove of his era and Roy Jones.

    Ask a specific question and eventually he'll see it to respond.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
      - - Not sure what you're getting at, but your convoluted record is incomprehensible.

      Scully training Beter takes up all of his time, plus his wife and daughter, so he's pretty busy, yet he's always been infinitely accessible and a treasure trove of his era and Roy Jones.

      Ask a specific question and eventually he'll see it to respond.
      I got an error when I posted and now the formatting is way broken and I'm trying to get an edit worth a **** but the forum itself is ... you know ... sh it.


      Edit- I didn't address the rest.

      I don't have a question for John at the moment. I'm doing more like a tribute to the fellow. He's always getting stuff signed and auctioned for other people's benefits. A small tribute isn't much but I as a fan appreciate the boxing industry being a bit of a family and would like to do something for John out of respect for what he's doing for folks like his current belt auction for Wilfred Benitez, Gerald McClellan and Prichard Colon.


      Do be very simple Queen, my aim is to put some respect on 'em.

      just removed the record all together. I'll fix it up properly when I get the time.
      Last edited by Marchegiano; 10-19-2023, 11:04 AM.

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      • #4
        Right on Marg... Like you say, he does pop in now and then. There are a few more guys who do as well, their names escape me.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by billeau2 View Post
          Right on Marg... Like you say, he does pop in now and then. There are a few more guys who do as well, their names escape me.
          Tim Witherspoon was posting here a while back, but I haven't seen recent posts of his.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Tatabanya View Post

            Tim Witherspoon was posting here a while back, but I haven't seen recent posts of his.
            I "postspoke" to him about a year back, he was doing a youtube channel talking about some of the finer points in boxing. We had a nice conversation, lol we both had identical opinions as it was, and we argued against opposing points of view... That was flattering lol... I mean I have a lot of respect for him because of what he represented... A Brahma Bull in the line of Philly heavyweights! I also knew some of the fighters there from the connection to my martial arts teacher...

            He is a talented teacher... I wish I was back on the East Coast so I could say hello. It would be so nice to hear from him in this section.
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            • #7
              I've got him on FB if you want me to let him know about this thread?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by _Rexy_ View Post
                I've got him on FB if you want me to let him know about this thread?
                Thats not a bad idea. That would be great!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by _Rexy_ View Post
                  I've got him on FB if you want me to let him know about this thread?
                  I don't John at all but if you guys think he would appreciate knowing, go for it, but I certainly don't want to be a bother.

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                  • #10
                    https://youtube.com/shorts/6NFTxQ6VG...1HsPFh3zuPA_TY


                    Right on coach

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