The reason Joe Louis should be studied above all fighters

[Dr. Z]

- - My ability to remain unimpeachably smarter than you 99.6% of the time.

Be careful now. This clown has claimed a 137 IQ before. Yes, that happened. One guess who I am referring to? I'd say you're 99.7% likely to know.

[Marchegiano]

technology and fanfare ...


Using the same principles of AI to predict the future of AI should suggest that AI's going to have a subtle impact on the near future and a very uncertain one in the distant. At best.


Which is what lead me to believe AI will quickly be replaced by actually intelligent computers. As in bio-com*****g.


As far as predicting individualism I side with Bundana. It's impossible. In fact, any mental gymnastics beyond combined human capability at electronic speed is and always will be impossible. Can humans predict specific fights in specific movements and time and nail every detail? What if all the humans worked on it? What if all the humans ever in the history of humans worked on it? Because it isn't a knowledge based answer. You can't use a data set to predict anything with no data on it.



To make a parallel, I saw shopping mentioned, and movies. What you need for AI to predict a fight outcome like it can shopping and movies is a data set as wealthy as shopping and movies. I mean, if you want an AI to accurately predict Dempsey VS Fury you need Dempsey to fight Fury several thousand times a year. For the data set to even exist in the first place. It's a personalized data set that predicts the future habits ... c'mon.

That's not an issue you overcome with more power or more efficient code. It's the nature of the technology itself. It needs data set therefor its predictive power is best when predicting what will happen again and weakest when predicting something that has never happened in anyway.


edit- forgot to bring this home.

Humans can't make a thing based on human knowledge that actually exceeds human knowledge. AI is more or less a new interactive frontend for the internet. It knows everything it's been told, where to ask for more information, and literally nothing else

[them_apples]

technology and fanfare ...


Using the same principles of AI to predict the future of AI should suggest that AI's going to have a subtle impact on the near future and a very uncertain one in the distant. At best.


Which is what lead me to believe AI will quickly be replaced by actually intelligent computers. As in bio-com*****g.


As far as predicting individualism I side with Bundana. It's impossible. In fact, any mental gymnastics beyond combined human capability at electronic speed is and always will be impossible. Can humans predict specific fights in specific movements and time and nail every detail? What if all the humans worked on it? What if all the humans ever in the history of humans worked on it? Because it isn't a knowledge based answer. You can't use a data set to predict anything with no data on it.



To make a parallel, I saw shopping mentioned, and movies. What you need for AI to predict a fight outcome like it can shopping and movies is a data set as wealthy as shopping and movies. I mean, if you want an AI to accurately predict Dempsey VS Fury you need Dempsey to fight Fury several thousand times a year. For the data set to even exist in the first place. It's a personalized data set that predicts the future habits ... c'mon.

That's not an issue you overcome with more power or more efficient code. It's the nature of the technology itself. It needs data set therefor its predictive power is best when predicting what will happen again and weakest when predicting something that has never happened in anyway.


edit- forgot to bring this home.

Humans can't make a thing based on human knowledge that actually exceeds human knowledge. AI is more or less a new interactive frontend for the internet. It knows everything it's been told, where to ask for more information, and literally nothing else

Of course it needs data, but when the ai itself is rigged to collect data with multiple inputs, you would be surprised how much data it can gather. Especially when it’s inputs are fine tuned to gather enormous amounts of it. There is a reason Tawain is essentially the center of a world war right now, out side of currency.

us humans collect data with 5 inputs, sight, smell, hearing, touch and taste. Every creature is rigged differently. A dog has all the same, but it stronger with smell and hearing, weaker in the rest etc

the iphone 15+ is reading and collecting data off the person using it at an insane rate.

Nobody thought we could fly in 1748, let alone at 11 times the speed of sound.

[Slugfester]

AI does not need to be conscious in order to rule us and control us. It is already doing a good job. In the future they will control us more. It is hard to argue with that unless you are rather sheltered. Does anyone here believe in space aliens? If so, consider how the got here. They used time travel or something even more mysterious and impossible to us. So will we, if we manage to survive. Science fiction is always right, and has been so far. Remember HAL. Remember 1984.

The past will not have to be reconstructed because it already exists. Prediction itself will become obsolete, like leeches and hot stones in medicine. We will be able to personally inform Da Vinci 500 years ago that he was wrong--man will never fly, Lennie.

Greb vs Tunney will not be out of reach to anyone who still cares, but there will be no predictions involved unless it is those of quantum probability waves. I don't understand probability waves, but I still believe in them.

[them_apples]

technology and fanfare ...


Using the same principles of AI to predict the future of AI should suggest that AI's going to have a subtle impact on the near future and a very uncertain one in the distant. At best.


Which is what lead me to believe AI will quickly be replaced by actually intelligent computers. As in bio-com*****g.


As far as predicting individualism I side with Bundana. It's impossible. In fact, any mental gymnastics beyond combined human capability at electronic speed is and always will be impossible. Can humans predict specific fights in specific movements and time and nail every detail? What if all the humans worked on it? What if all the humans ever in the history of humans worked on it? Because it isn't a knowledge based answer. You can't use a data set to predict anything with no data on it.



To make a parallel, I saw shopping mentioned, and movies. What you need for AI to predict a fight outcome like it can shopping and movies is a data set as wealthy as shopping and movies. I mean, if you want an AI to accurately predict Dempsey VS Fury you need Dempsey to fight Fury several thousand times a year. For the data set to even exist in the first place. It's a personalized data set that predicts the future habits ... c'mon.

That's not an issue you overcome with more power or more efficient code. It's the nature of the technology itself. It needs data set therefor its predictive power is best when predicting what will happen again and weakest when predicting something that has never happened in anyway.


edit- forgot to bring this home.

Humans can't make a thing based on human knowledge that actually exceeds human knowledge. AI is more or less a new interactive frontend for the internet. It knows everything it's been told, where to ask for more information, and literally nothing else

Also the last part isn’t true. Human knowledge is just that, human knowledge. Which is just data. You feed it all the human knowledge which is inhuman in itself, and it will come up with answers we never could by compiling “human knowledge” and seeing patterns we never could. Making sense of it in ways we never could.

it’s like viewing the battlefield from ground level or birds eye view. The bird can see so much more, even if we are viewing the same thing in the same environment.

[The Defecator]

Maybe not above all fighters slight exaggeration however�.

Jack Blackburn�..A deeply knowledgeable trainer from an older era. Louis is his best work. It should be studied and upscaled to the highest level so we can inspect his style and all its micro movements the old camera sometimes doesn�t pick up. But the perfect balance and punch leverage does, the understanding of the jab and how it works, the subtle and intelligent defense. Incredible work that unfortunately few will ever see or understand.

200-205 lbs just obliterates cause he�s skinny strong and fit like a wild animal, fighting a bunch of fattened up zoo animals set loose into the jungle.

Reminds me of some things I used to read online Joe Louis: Power, Perfection and Complete (tripod.com)

[Slugfester]

One thing I expect AI to do is make a good run at unsolved mathematics problems. When? I dunno. When they are able to. This is more up a computer's alley than football or boxing, where analysis and predictions are not yet trustworthy. But everyone trusts a math proof, or should; it is not a prediction but a certainty.

Here is what AI will do in sports: something rather than nothing. We always turn great things into our toys. Your phone will become low level AI. I wouldn't doubt that future AI can predict whether we wet the bed or have nightmares, just from public information. But can it predict boxing outcomes? Between living opponents I believe it will have a high degree of accuracy. Dead ones not so easy, if even possible.

Repeated successes in other predictive settings would go a long way in creating trust. But we will always have doubts about AI generated boxing bouts. That is, until we can go there ourselves. Godel already proved time travel is possible. He found a nugget nestled in special relativity no one else had noticed, and presented it to Einstein for his 70th birthday. Godel wasn't even a mathematician or a physicist. He turned the world of formal logic upside down in his lifetime though, then starved himself to death.

But even going back would not allow us to see bouts that never happened. For that, we will always have to rely on AI and its predictions.