Tunney let's Greb finish his 5th fight between them.

[billeau2]

Makes sense to me! You got the expert on the subject, and the ref, etc... And we all know that capitulate was Greb's middle Germanic name... This is a man who got a splinter and... oh wait, wait... I meant had one eye taken and called it a ca... I mean kept fighting without disclosing the handicap. I can just imagine him laying his head on the Marines hefty shoulder and begging Gene for a reprieve.

I mean this would even mean something if it established, or buttressed some quality about Greb. But it is unproven, and what would it establish? Greb fought Tunney, we have information about these fights.

If it had been established it might be an interesting tidbit.

So typical of fools like the Queen B, people decide to prove a negative: "Well no audio, or film, no one saying it is not true, prove it didn't happen..." Must be so!! right? This despite a pattern of Stoicism with Greb, etc. I don't buy it.

[Ivich]

Makes sense to me! You got the expert on the subject, and the ref, etc... And we all know that capitulate was Greb's middle Germanic name... This is a man who got a splinter and... oh wait, wait... I meant had one eye taken and called it a ca... I mean kept fighting without disclosing the handicap. I can just imagine him laying his head on the Marines hefty shoulder and begging Gene for a reprieve.

I mean this would even mean something if it established, or buttressed some quality about Greb. But it is unproven, and what would it establish? Greb fought Tunney, we have information about these fights.

If it had been established it might be an interesting tidbit.

So typical of fools like the Queen B, people decide to prove a negative: "Well no audio, or film, no one saying it is not true, prove it didn't happen..." Must be so!! right? This despite a pattern of Stoicism with Greb, etc. I don't buy it.

On balance neither do I .

[Ivich]

You too? I am also etched on that man's shiat list.

He has a wealth of knowledge but the price you must pay to receive it is too high.imo.
He is an overbearing egoist who talks as though he is Moses bringing the Ten Commandments to the rabble.
Pity, because he would be a real asset to any forum if he could just drop the self admiring condescension and rudeness.

[billeau2]

On balance neither do I .

Meanwhile, if we take a closer look at Tunney, whom I consider one of the very best... my thoughts on matters related to Gene are such, that in their grand total, I am a big fan. having read some of his missives you hear a lot of stoic remarks, some good thinking about things related to manhood, biology and such. And then... something like: "A man with boxing skill would beat an ape with a good punch to the face." (paraphrasing). It is hard to attribute such a remark to a smart man with all his faculties. Even then, before it was known Apes love meat, have sociopathic tendencies in their social groupings, it was established that an ape was very very strong! And if memory serves correct Tunney might have said this about a Gorilla! I would rather give him the benefit of the doubt here.

Gene also had some hard years later in life... It is entirely possible when he said this about Greb, he was not in his right mind, it would depend somewhat on when he said it and if he was drinking when he said it I s'pose.

[billeau2]

He has a wealth of knowledge but the price you must pay to receive it is too high.imo.
He is an overbearing egoist who talks as though he is Moses bringing the Ten Commandments to the rabble.
Pity, because he would be a real asset to any forum if he could just drop the self admiring condescension and rudeness.

Lol, yes, he loves to throw around his accomplishments as an argument based on authority. Problem for him, as I tried to 'xplain was: Other experts disagreed with him. My touche came in arguments about Dempsey lol.

I will put up with such behavior if someone can contribute... so I did not mind having a verbal dust up with him, I would always welcome his knowledge and understanding... But I live and breath what I consider a most sacred principle: "Knowledge and understanding speak for themselves, and come from many different sources." When we claim any external authority regarding our understanding, it should never be done as a means to silence, or intimidate other points of view.

True story: When I was growing up New York City, in the sixties, there were many educational alternatives used on kids, who were unfortunately the gunni pigs... most of these were crash and burn. One very smart teacher developed a game for his 4th grade class: A map of the world was put up, countries, gov defined. The contemporary problems of the day were presented and the kids formed groups representing the different political interests. The idea was to solve the crisis.

Rumors started to float about how these kids were developing ingenious solutions. Eventually.. and this is absolutely true, a group of government spooks, diplomats, etc from the United Nations offices around midtown, East side in NYC actually showed up to the classes! From the mouth of babes came a different perspective, and while many would laugh, people who really depend on good information apparently did not. That is one of three of my favorite stories.

Edit: I should make clear... the "show up" was to ask the kids questions, not to shut down the classroom. It shows that at the top of the market place for good information different principles apply. The military is a great example. In the armed forces in the United States, aside from if you went through an academy (West Point, Annapolis, etc) the armed forces do not care WHERE you went to college, only IF you were able to learn and get a college degree. I agree with them and again, it is very revealing.

[Ivich]

Lol, yes, he loves to throw around his accomplishments as an argument based on authority. Problem for him, as I tried to 'xplain was: Other experts disagreed with him. My touche came in arguments about Dempsey lol.

I will put up with such behavior if someone can contribute... so I did not mind having a verbal dust up with him, I would always welcome his knowledge and understanding... But I live and breath what I consider a most sacred principle: "Knowledge and understanding speak for themselves, and come from many different sources." When we claim any external authority regarding our understanding, it should never be done as a means to silence, or intimidate other points of view.

True story: When I was growing up New York City, in the sixties, there were many educational alternatives used on kids, who were unfortunately the gunni pigs... most of these were crash and burn. One very smart teacher developed a game for his 4th grade class: A map of the world was put up, countries, gov defined. The contemporary problems of the day were presented and the kids formed groups representing the different political interests. The idea was to solve the crisis.

Rumors started to float about how these kids were developing ingenious solutions. Eventually.. and this is absolutely true, a group of government spooks, diplomats, etc from the United Nations offices around midtown, East side in NYC actually showed up to the classes! From the mouth of babes came a different perspective, and while many would laugh, people who really depend on good information apparently did not. That is one of three of my favorite stories.

Edit: I should make clear... the "show up" was to ask the kids questions, not to shut down the classroom. It shows that at the top of the market place for good information different principles apply. The military is a great example. In the armed forces in the United States, aside from if you went through an academy (West Point, Annapolis, etc) the armed forces do not care WHERE you went to college, only IF you were able to learn and get a college degree. I agree with them and again, it is very revealing.

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[QueensburyRules]

Jim Jacobs,Blackhawk Films, Steve Compton,have been unable to find any.
Do you have any information that is in any way relevant to this question?

No,I didn't think so.

- - Yes! No surviving film has been found as of today.

Tomorrow may yield a different result along wif transgendered snail boycotts.

[Slugfester]

Volume of sound decreases as the inverse square of the distance. They are in a noisy arena. By physics, the referee did not hear a thing unless he was breaking them apart or somehow standing with his head between them during a clinch. The likelihood (if Greb even said it) is that he would not shout it but whisper it in Tunney's ear during a clinch. If Greb did say it, he would have made sure no one else could hear, unless he wanted the fight stopped. Not likely from what little I know of Greb. He also could have whispered other words than those, which Tunney could have misheard. With a lot of crowd noise and breathing hard himself, Gene could easily mishear exactly what was whispered. If it was said, do I know that it was whispered? Of course not. That is just most logical to me.

[Ivich]

Meanwhile, if we take a closer look at Tunney, whom I consider one of the very best... my thoughts on matters related to Gene are such, that in their grand total, I am a big fan. having read some of his missives you hear a lot of stoic remarks, some good thinking about things related to manhood, biology and such. And then... something like: "A man with boxing skill would beat an ape with a good punch to the face." (paraphrasing). It is hard to attribute such a remark to a smart man with all his faculties. Even then, before it was known Apes love meat, have sociopathic tendencies in their social groupings, it was established that an ape was very very strong! And if memory serves correct Tunney might have said this about a Gorilla! I would rather give him the benefit of the doubt here.

Gene also had some hard years later in life... It is entirely possible when he said this about Greb, he was not in his right mind, it would depend somewhat on when he said it and if he was drinking when he said it I s'pose.

Tunney said a man beats a gorilla because he has more ribs,which is incorrect anyway.
I admire Tunney's guts ,he was badly beaten up by Greb in their first fight but wanted a rematch as soon as he was capable of fighting,
His aeroplane Philadelphia for the first Dempsey fight on which he was horribly airsick, shows a man prepared to challenge himself, passenger plane travel was still in its infancy, his self belief must have been tremendous,on a par with Marciano's

He was also obviously a thinker, in addition to being an extremely well schooled pugilist , a self made man if ever there was one,but some of his statements seem to have been made just for effect.

[Dr. Z]

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I'm interjecting no personal animosity towards Klompton .I stated he is probably the worlds expert on Greb,I'd classify that as a big compliment!

You are the one,[ from the safety of this forum,I might add,] disparaging him,calling him a fan boy ,and casting doubt on his objectivity .

Would that be because he, ,many times called you a barefaced liar ?

Klompton has tons of first hand contemporary reports of Greb's fights I would certainly believe him before others, such as James R Fair who was taken to court by the Greb estate for telling lies about him and had his second printing of his book cancelled as a result of the litigation.'
Klompton has the round by round accounts of all the Greb v Tunney fights, what do you have, a self serving quote from Tunney, made after Greb had passed, which the referee says he did not hear.

I don't know if Greb said those words and neither do you,

I also don't know the contents of Klompton's Greb book because I haven't read it,and neither have you!
The difference is I'm not prepared to accept Tunney;s quote at face value without any proof to confirm it and you are.
You have no idea if Greb fought like Mayorga,because all you have to form an opinion are the few pithy comments on Box Rec,whereas Klompton has loads of round by round summaries of Greb's fights to form his opinion.
Film of Greb? I distinctly remember you stating equivocally on ESB that a friend of yours had footage of Greb fighting.

This was one of the times when he called you a liar and challenged you to provide the serial number of the film,as is generally known Klompton has one of the largest collections of rare footage of fight films.

Your excuse for not doing so was you were sworn to secrecy.? LOL

And remember in your facile attempt to appear reasonable ,once again it was you who called me out!
Now is there anything else I can help you with?
NB the only book on Greb that I'm aware of prior to Klompton's was

James R Fair's " Give Him To The Angels". Fair was born in1920 so he certainly never saw Greb fight!
If you have another, written by somebody who saw Greb fight.

NAME THE BOOK's TITLE AND IT'S AUTHOR!

How do your know that James Fair never saw Greb fight? Produce the link which says that you lair and stop twisting unknown facts to your suit agenda. By my count Greb was filmed six times! Sure they all disappeared when Fair way say 20-40 years!

To clear thing up for the board they can PM me on the claimed Greb film if the want the details of it. I never said I saw it. Only that it was claimed to be seen by a know film dealer.

Sure, Greb fought like Mayorga like Klompton said. We can review the new reports if Greb fights. Do you see any similarities between the two in print the way they are described in action. Well... speak up.

Unlike yourself some seen Klompton's catalog of films. Wouldn't you like to see them? Yeah I bet you would! The list is very large.

You remain a liar and a joke. Now here is a short film of Greb walking around that I do not think most have seen.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=10156821073814271

By the way I have read a Man must fight and recommend it.