Jack Johnson v GunBoat Smith 1912?

[Dr. Z]

Dude, you are so drunk in your hate that you can't understand simple English.

GUNBOAT SMITH didn't say Johnson was dazed. GUNBOAT SMITH said Johnson was down for a few seconds.

Jesus Christ.

DUDE, you are so jaded that you can't read the people that were there said Johnson was down and dazed. You sir are a piece of work.

Middle weight Ketchel did the same. Sub 200 pounders like Choynski knocked him out. Sub 200 pounders in Griffin and Hart beat him too. Smith was not asked if Johnson was down ( he obviously was ) or dazed like the reports say he was.

[travestyny]

DUDE, you are so jaded that you can't read the people that were there said Johnson was down and dazed. You sir are a piece of work.

Middle weight Ketchel did the same. Sub 200 pounders like Choynski knocked him out. Sub 200 pounders in Griffin and Hart beat him too. Smith was not asked if Johnson was down ( he obviously was ) or dazed like the reports say he was.

It's clearly you that is the "piece of work." And I can prove it,


Did you claim that this was an "execution match." Did you ever admit that it was a sparring session?

As you already know because you were corrected by CHOYNSKI himself, Johnson was a raw novice when he met Choynski. The knockdown to Ketchel was clearly staged as he began going down before the blow was delivered, and "miraculously" jumped up and knocked Ketchel out cold. Langford agrees Johnson was just toying with Ketchel, and he could see that while being partially blind.

Smith claimed Johnson was down a few seconds and never said anything about him being dazed period. Your bullshlt doesn't work while good posters are here to put you in your place.

[Ivich]

DUDE, you are so jaded that you can't read the people that were there said Johnson was down and dazed. You sir are a piece of work.

Middle weight Ketchel did the same. Sub 200 pounders like Choynski knocked him out. Sub 200 pounders in Griffin and Hart beat him too. Smith was not asked if Johnson was down ( he obviously was ) or dazed like the reports say he was.

One newspaper paper said he was,and it was speculated it was a piece of "puff journalism" to hype up the impending Ketchel fight. I posted 3 papers that said Johnson wasn't down!.

For the sake of argument let us suppose Johnson was legitimately floored and dazed in a spar ,something you have been saying ad nauseum for several years now.

What does that actually prove?
A fighter was floored by a big punching sparring partner.and so in the long scheme of things that means what exactly?

Marciano, also the reigning world champion was left hooked to the canvas in a spar withToxie Hall a regular sparring partner for Rocky, was a close friend,who doubled as Al Weill's bodyguard.
Marciano was training to fight ****ell.
So badly was Rocky stunned Charlie Goldman halted sparring for the day and told Rocky to"go take a shower".
Hall's career record is 13-15-4 His ko percentage is 21.88%.ie He was no puncher!
Does this in any way denigrate Marciano?
Does it it anyway imply that in a real fight Hall would have a ghost of a chance against Rocky?

You need to get some help with your mental issues.

[Dr. Z]

One newspaper paper said he was,and it was speculated it was a piece of "puff journalism" to hype up the impending Ketchel fight. I posted 3 papers that said Johnson wasn't down!.

For the sake of argument let us suppose Johnson was legitimately floored and dazed in a spar ,something you have been saying ad nauseum for several years now.

What does that actually prove?
A fighter was floored by a big punching sparring partner.and so in the long scheme of things that means what exactly?

Marciano, also the reigning world champion was left hooked to the canvas in a spar withToxie Hall a regular sparring partner for Rocky, was a close friend,who doubled as Al Weill's bodyguard.
Marciano was training to fight ****ell.
So badly was Rocky stunned Charlie Goldman halted sparring for the day and told Rocky to"go take a shower".
Hall's career record is 13-15-4 His ko percentage is 21.88%.ie He was no puncher!
Does this in any way denigrate Marciano?
Does it it anyway imply that in a real fight Hall would have a ghost of a chance against Rocky?

You need to get some help with your mental issues.

SHUT UP. You have written Johnson was not even floored here before by Smith. Go away to boxing 24, let them deal with your ******ity. And Marciano and any other white heavyweights which you have antipathy for has nothing to do with this thread.

You are free to believe the Jack Johnson, a man who used the color line are against his own people, avoided the top white contenders, and was Ko'd by floored in fights by men under 200 lbs, and lost to several man decisions to several men below 200 pounds was a force. He drew several times and in fights too. To sub 200 pound men, journeyman and jokes. And he fouled in victory and defeat.

Not to mention beat up on women and the sick. Add those KO wins under his resume too. Those facts, Tony, Mcvey, Tonto62, Ivich and whatever other names you have used before.

Now like I said SHUT UP and be gone.

[Ivich]

SHUT UP. You have written Johnson was not even floored here before by Smith. Go away to boxing 24, let them deal with your ******ity. And Marciano and any other white heavyweights which you have antipathy for has nothing to do with this thread.

You are free to believe the Jack Johnson, a man who used the color line are against his own people, avoided the top white contenders, and was Ko'd by floored in fights by men under 200 lbs, and lost to several man decisions to several men below 200 pounds was a force. He drew several times and in fights too. To sub 200 pound men, journeyman and jokes. And he fouled in victory and defeat.

Not to mention beat up on women and the sick. Add those KO wins under his resume too. Those facts, Tony, Mcvey, Tonto62, Ivich and whatever other names you have used before.

Now like I said SHUT UP and be gone.

You refuse to answer my question then? I knew you would !
Here again is my question.

!For the sake of argument let us suppose Johnson was legitimately floored and dazed in a spar ,something you have been saying ad nauseum for several years now.

What does that actually prove?
A fighter was floored by a big punching sparring partner.and so in the long scheme of things that means what exactly?"

All you've done is repeat your mantra Johnson used the color line Johnson beat up women and the sick
WTF that has to do with my thread, God Only Knows?


I also know you will continue repeating GunBoat Smith knocked Johnson silly in a match and his MANGER lol ,stopped it.
Even though his then MANAGER George Little said in a public statement shown in Pollacks book that the KD was BS,just a result of them having neglected to sprinkle the ring with resin.

You are not right in the head fella! Your Johnson posts read like you are foaming at the mouth!
Get some help before you totally implode! You are ridiculous LOL!!!!!

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[Dr. Z]

Ivich,

To answer your specific question it proves that Johnson had a suspect chin vs. punches when hit by a 180 pound mediocre puncher and raw novice like Gunboat Smith was. Smith had Johnson down and dazed according to reports his manager had to stop the action! That is what it proves.

Smith if course never received a title match vs. Johnson, but Johnson selected other white hopes which were inferior that Smith beat. Why? " And he never forgot it " , Smith said referring to the punch that produced the known down of Johnson. From the book " In this corner " which you said many times which you own, yet do not repeat this. Why? Anything that impedes your jihad like purpose of like of defending that man who beat on women and the sick, and was suspect in more fights than you can count on one hand, you " attempt " to shoot down. He was a cult like free mason like you are ask well. Hmmm... that might be a reason why among other things.


In fact Johnson had numerous looses and draws to other sub 200 pound men. Several of them from 1899- 1914. Let me know if you want to talk about it . I will beat on you like Jack Johnson beat on Women . Are you game?


Pollack does not go into details of Johnson's condition after the knockdownlike the press does. But then again his purpose was to sell a book on a fighter who he likes. I have communicated with him via private messages. He thinks Johnson was DQ for holding vs. Klon***e, not knocked out by punches which he know is the case. He can speak for himself, but won't here because he was banned like you were at boxing 24 in the past ( multiple times ) and in the past here at Boxing Scene.

[Ivich]

Ivich,

To answer your specific question it proves that Johnson had a suspect chin vs. punches when hit by a 180 pound mediocre puncher and raw novice like Gunboat Smith was. Smith had Johnson down and dazed according to reports his manager had to stop the action! That is what it proves.

Smith if course never received a title match vs. Johnson, but Johnson selected other white hopes which were inferior that Smith beat. Why? " And he never forgot it " , Smith said referring to the punch that produced the known down of Johnson. From the book " In this corner " which you said many times which you own, yet do not repeat this. Why? Anything that impedes your jihad like purpose of like of defending that man who beat on women and the sick, and was suspect in more fights than you can count on one hand, you " attempt " to shoot down. He was a cult like free mason like you are ask well. Hmmm... that might be a reason why among other things.


In fact Johnson had numerous looses and draws to other sub 200 pound men. Several of them from 1899- 1914. Let me know if you want to talk about it . I will beat on you like Jack Johnson beat on Women . Are you game?


Pollack does not go into details of Johnson's condition after the knockdownlike the press does. But then again his purpose was to sell a book on a fighter who he likes. I have communicated with him via private messages. He thinks Johnson was DQ for holding vs. Klon***e, not knocked out by punches which he know is the case. He can speak for himself, but won't here because he was banned like you were at boxing 24 in the past ( multiple times ) and in the past here at Boxing Scene.

If being knocked down in sparring by a big puncher,proves you have a suspect chin,what does that say about Rocky Marciano's chin? Marciano was knocked down and the spar ended against Toxie Hall . Hall has a 28% ko record!
Travis Walker and Alonzo Butler both knocked Vitali Klitschko down in sparring,did Vitali have a weak chin?

You are absurd!

Johnson went from1901 until1915 without being stopped.He failed to finish 6 fights, 4 of them when he was past his prime the other 2 before he was prime.

Below, just for you.

" I got over to the Seal Rock House ,put on the gloves with Johnson.and that's when they began to think I was something,because I hit Johnson on the chin ,and knocked him through the ropes ,and damn near out of the Seal Rock House."

Gun Boat Smith taped interview March 1970,

In that interview Smith said Jeffries only agreed tothe Johnson fight because he thought it was in the bag for him to win.He also daid Johnson pulled a fake knockdown against Ketchel.

So which parts do you believe and which parts do you not?LOL

Now point out where Smith says Johnson was, to quote you," down and dazed,knocked silly?"
Smith was Johnson's first sparring partner of the day.
Johnson completed the 4 scheduled rounds,then boxed 2 rds with Bob Armstrong,2 rds with a middle named Arslinger,and a further 2 rds with another middle , Dave Mills.

So if, as you say Johnson was knocked silly by Smith,how did he manage to complete the 4 rds and 6 further 6 rds with 3 more sparring partners?

Smith was a mediocre puncher?
Was he?
Smith was lean, quick and crafty - and a sizzling hitter; He was a very good boxer who moved well and hit sharply with both hands; Slightly larger than a light heavyweight, he hit like a heavyweight CBZ.

I see we are back to the Masons.What is your opinion of the following being Masons?
Count Basie
John Wayne
Duke Ellington
Jesse Jackson
Gerald Ford
George Washington
Jack Dempsey
Harry Truman
Andy Jackson
Paul Revere
FDR
Teddy Roosevelt
Mark Twain
Ray Robinson
Will Rogers .

I just picked out a few random American Masons for you to peruse over."
Remember when you said Masons were *****philes and devil worshippers? Which ones were "Cult Like?"
Which of those I named were these things?
Thank God you are ******! If you had half a brain you would be dangerous!

Beat on women?
The following boxers have hit wives and girl friends
Ray Robinson who was responsible for his Wife having at least 1 miscarriage
Floyd Mayweather
Deontay Wilder
Bobby Chacon
Jim Corbett
Sam Langford
Trevor Berbick
Diego Corrales
Carlos Monzon
Mile Tyson

Just exactly what has it to do with their abilities in the ring?

Beat on me? You couldn't beat an egg! lol

[GhostofDempsey]

Gunboat smith, a decent contender with a few good wins. Jack Johnson one of the greatest heavyweights of all time. Smith has zero chance against Johnson.

Where do you come up with this? Smith defeated Willard, something Jack couldn't do. He also had wins over Langford, Flynn, Moran, Blackburn (a fighter who also allegedly got the best of Johnson in sparring).

[Ivich]

Where do you come up with this? Smith defeated Willard, something Jack couldn't do. He also had wins over Langford, Flynn, Moran, Blackburn (a fighter who also allegedly got the best of Johnson in sparring).

The Willard decision was controversial.
The San Francisco call. [volume] (San Francisco [Calif.]) 1895-1913, May 22, 1913, Page 8, Image 8 « Chronicling America « Library of Congress (loc.gov)

As was the Langford decision,Langford took him out inside 3 rounds in the rematch .
Smith relied almost totally on a stiff left jab, but Langford seemed unfazed by it and bided his time, working to the body. Late in the fight he began a serious assault and had Smith bleeding freely. When referee Fleming raised Smith's arm in victory, many ringsiders were surprised. (


Johnson has wins over Moran and Flynn too and easier ones.and 2 over Denver Ed Martin who beat Smith in their 2nd fight, Johnson took Martin out in2 rds

[GhostofDempsey]

The Willard decision was controversial.
The San Francisco call. [volume] (San Francisco [Calif.]) 1895-1913, May 22, 1913, Page 8, Image 8 « Chronicling America « Library of Congress (loc.gov)

As was the Langford decision,Langford took him out inside 3 rounds in the rematch .
Smith relied almost totally on a stiff left jab, but Langford seemed unfazed by it and bided his time, working to the body. Late in the fight he began a serious assault and had Smith bleeding freely. When referee Fleming raised Smith's arm in victory, many ringsiders were surprised. (


Johnson has wins over Moran and Flynn too and easier ones.and 2 over Denver Ed Martin who beat Smith in their 2nd fight, Johnson took Martin out in2 rds

Regardless if they were controversial, they went into the history books as wins. Smith was a rangy, crafty fighter who wasn’t an easy day for anyone. He beat Willard who KO’d Johnson. Is it so hard to believe Smith could have legitimately knocked down and buzzed Johnson in an exhibition or sparring session?