What did Joe Jeannette Weigh For His Last fight With Johnson?

[Ivich]

I have seen some claims that Jeannette only scaled 165lbs for this fight.I don't believe them.Jeannette was 27 years old and a muscular 5 feet 10 inches with big thighs and shoulders.

[JAB5239]

I have seen some claims that Jeannette only scaled 165lbs for this fight.I don't believe them.Jeannette was 27 years old and a muscular 5 feet 10 inches with big thighs and shoulders.

I highly doubt it. He was 185 in March of 06 against Johnson. JJ is said to have been 20lbs heavier (per boxrec) in their last fight. The weights are very inconsistent for that period though. 2 years later he was 200lbs for Langford. That's a big jump in weight at that age. If I were to guess I'd say he was still around 185. The inconsistencies are just to much. Also per boxrec, Johnson was 185 for Langford a month later after fighting Jeanette in March of 1906. Are we to believe JJ lost 20lbs in a month?

[Ivich]

i highly doubt it. He was 185 in march of 06 against johnson. Jj is said to have been 20lbs heavier (per boxrec) in their last fight. The weights are very inconsistent for that period though. 2 years later he was 200lbs for langford. That's a big jump in weight at that age. If i were to guess i'd say he was still around 185. The inconsistencies are just to much. Also per boxrec, johnson was 185 for langford a month later after fighting jeanette in march of 1906. Are we to believe jj lost 20lbs in a month?

i agree.

[Dr. Z]

Jeannette own words:

I could always hit him without much trouble and once I cut him up pretty badly. I only weighed about 165 when I fought him last, now I am twenty-five pounds heavier, and Jack is getting old and fat. I think he showed in his bout with Flynn that he is losing his punch. If Flynn was butting him, as they say, from what I know of Jack he certainly would have cut loose unless he was afraid of getting tired.

I'll go up after his body because I think that is his weakest spot now and besides body punching is my long suit. It was a body blow I got in that made him foul me that time in Philadelphia. I caught him with a right uppercut in the pit of the stomach and it made him gasp. Right after that he began hitting low. He hit me with a right that landed below the belt and the crowd began to hiss. I was hurt pretty badly, but I kept my feet and he deliberately struck again with the same punch. When I woke up I was in the hospital. Johnson was arrested and they wanted me to press the charge against him, but I didn't want to do that.

How do you think Johnson intends to fight you this time? Jennette was asked. Well, I shouldnt be surprised if he intends to stall as much as possible. He probably figures he can go along without doing much and not take any chances. Of course it takes two to make a good fight, but it wont be my fault if there is not plenty of action. He never could hold my arms like he did with Flynn and Tommy Burns. I only hope he reaches out to grab me, because if he does something is going to happen.

Jennette brought out a scrapbook full of newspaper clippings to substantiate his remarks regarding his different bouts with Johnson. He also exhibited a series of photographs taken during his battle with Sam MacVey in Paris, showing himself, taking the count in all sorts of curious positions at different times during the contest in which he was floored twenty-one times and yet won out in the end. Jennette looked them over with a curious smile, remarking, Johnson admitted when he was in Paris that I could beat him in a finish fight. I hope I can do it in then.

[Ivich]

Jeannette own words:

I could always hit him without much trouble and once I cut him up pretty badly. I only weighed about 165 when I fought him last, now I am twenty-five pounds heavier, and Jack is getting old and fat. I think he showed in his bout with Flynn that he is losing his punch. If Flynn was butting him, as they say, from what I know of Jack he certainly would have cut loose unless he was afraid of getting tired.

I'll go up after his body because I think that is his weakest spot now and besides body punching is my long suit. It was a body blow I got in that made him foul me that time in Philadelphia. I caught him with a right uppercut in the pit of the stomach and it made him gasp. Right after that he began hitting low. He hit me with a right that landed below the belt and the crowd began to hiss. I was hurt pretty badly, but I kept my feet and he deliberately struck again with the same punch. When I woke up I was in the hospital. Johnson was arrested and they wanted me to press the charge against him, but I didn't want to do that.

How do you think Johnson intends to fight you this time? Jennette was asked. Well, I shouldnt be surprised if he intends to stall as much as possible. He probably figures he can go along without doing much and not take any chances. Of course it takes two to make a good fight, but it wont be my fault if there is not plenty of action. He never could hold my arms like he did with Flynn and Tommy Burns. I only hope he reaches out to grab me, because if he does something is going to happen.

Jennette brought out a scrapbook full of newspaper clippings to substantiate his remarks regarding his different bouts with Johnson. He also exhibited a series of photographs taken during his battle with Sam MacVey in Paris, showing himself, taking the count in all sorts of curious positions at different times during the contest in which he was floored twenty-one times and yet won out in the end. Jennette looked them over with a curious smile, remarking, Johnson admitted when he was in Paris that I could beat him in a finish fight. I hope I can do it in then.

Jeannette never cut Johnson in any of their fights.Johnson floored Jeannette multiple times.Jeannette never floored Johnson.
Jeannette never beat Johnson in a decision fight .
The DSQ win Jeannette won overJohnson is viewed as highly controversial even to this day.
Johnson was winning handily ,why would he need to foul a man who couldn't ever beat him?

[Willie Pep 229]

Jeannette never cut Johnson in any of their fights.Johnson floored Jeannette multiple times.Jeannette never floored Johnson.
Jeannette never beat Johnson in a decision fight .
The DSQ win Jeannette won overJohnson is viewed as highly controversial even to this day.
Johnson was winning handily ,why would he need to foul a man who couldn't ever beat him?

Jeannette does offer an answer to your last question, why?

Not that it is true.

He claims his hard body shot angered JJ and caused JJ to retaliate with a deliberate low blow. Then, when he refused to fall, JJ nailed him again low and got DQed.

I am not saying that's what happened, but Jeannette does offer that as a reasonable 'why it happened.'

I don't understand the timing of this challenge (date of article).

It may be JJ was in fact well past ot when Jeannette did this boasting. Late 1914 or early 1915.

The last paragraoh states "Johnson admitted when he was in Paris that I could beat him . . ."

So is this after JJ left Paris, post Moran fight?

Late 1914 - early 1915?

What's the antecedent for "he" --> Jeannette or Johnson?

The "when he was in Paris" quote puts an odd date to the article. I can't pin down the time frame - the full quote (below) seems half in the past, half in the present.

Maybe I misunderstood, maybe he is misquoted, maybe a poor transcription.

"Jennette looked them over with a curious smile, remarking, Johnson admitted when he was in Paris that I could beat him in a finish fight. I hope I can do it in then."