Almost an ATG But Not Quite

[max baer]

- - Many if not most of my contributions here are scientifically based on fighter timelines and results. Drives the typical lowbrows bonkers.

....and the way you gently agree with others and show respect to others views leaves me wandering why a guy who so goes out of his way to avoid scraps ends up in so many arguements over boxers past and present...........but you do have a great way with words!
in case you were wandering i was being......

[Slugfester]

For anyone who has taught AP history, and gone on to do the reading, you are aware of them giving you examples to read over and then grade as a whole at your table. Then adjusting your scores to match what the heads have marked. They do this over and over to establish a primer of sort. I think that would be beneficial to this discussion, for though we may not all rank each fighter the same, having a primer as to where we define ATG could help in the communication.

As such, I thought of a list of several, more recent fighters who are probably along the line of, or at least would help establish where that line is. All are well known so it should help establish some sort of baseline. If ya'll wouldnt mind giving them an ATG pass or fail, and then explaining why it may help set a primer:

Ken Norton
Kostya Tszyu
Dwight Muhammad Qawi
Naseem Hamed
Finito Lopez
Virgil Hill
Joe Calzaghe
Shane Mosley

That is a great lis t. IMO Zoo is the only passing grade, only by t he skin of his teeth by the skin of his teeth. He didn't lose the big one at the end

[Slugfester]

I mean Zoo did lose the last big one. Sorry about that.

He didn't stick around after that to see his record deteriorate.Smarter than the average boxer perhaps.

[kara]

I mean Zoo did lose the last big one. Sorry about that.

He didn't stick around after that to see his record deteriorate.Smarter than the average boxer perhaps.

Some people regard him as the best 140-pounder, ever.

[The D3vil]

Miguel Cotto
Ken Norton
Michael Moorer
Floyd Patterson
Pipino Cuevas
Joe Calzaghe
Matthew Saad Muhammad
James Toney
Julian Jackson
Edwin Rosario
Jose Luis Ramirez

[DeeMoney]

That is a great lis t. IMO Zoo is the only passing grade, only by t he skin of his teeth by the skin of his teeth. He didn't lose the big one at the end

Im a big finito fan, so maybe I subconsciously put him up there for that reason. But I feel he was the greatest ever at his weight class (though a newer class). Does being the best in a given class, even if it is a weaker class earn you the nod? What more could he have done while remaining at his best weight?

its kind of a trap question, but I think it helps the discussion along

[kara]

Miguel Cotto
Ken Norton
Michael Moorer
Floyd Patterson
Pipino Cuevas
Joe Calzaghe
Matthew Saad Muhammad
James Toney
Julian Jackson
Edwin Rosario
Jose Luis Ramirez

I remember people thinking Toney would be an ATG great pound-for-pound at one point

[QueensburyRules]

I remember people thinking Toney would be an ATG great pound-for-pound at one point

- - Boozo would've offered you a million dollars to marry him...

[kara]

- - Boozo would've offered you a million dollars to marry him...

Who, Zaroku?

[QueensburyRules]

Who, Zaroku?

- - No, Boozo had a Toney shrine made up of Chicken Bucket stools around an all you can eat salad bar.

He either did something bad or quit when the Chicken Bucket stools kept collapsing every time he sat on them.