Tom Sharkey like you never seen him before! A quality carrer review
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Stop lying bout what I said and in general. Some of the other board members appreciate the thread and my stuff. Why don't you do everyone a favor and place me and the numerous others that you have gone back and forth with on ignore? If your agenda makes you despise me, I really don't care.
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Di@k I did not say NEW footage, I said RARE footage some of which has been cleaned up with the new editing of video work that makes it easier to view today. There are some did you knows as in the knock downs in his fights.
Stop lying bout what I said and in general. Some of the other board members appreciate the thread and my stuff. Why don't you do everyone a favor and place me and the numerous others that you have gone back and forth with on ignore? If your agenda makes you despise me, I really don't care.That is how we "recreated" fights we were interested in. You did have a couple of great programs where they would bring back the fighters and show the old fights... I lived for that weekly occurence!
They had Robinson and LaMotta... You could see the love and respect they had for each other and Lamotta!! was sharp as a tack! great sense of humor. Told the program MC "Sugar Ray hit me so much he gave me Diabetes!"Comment
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On a related issue. This content provider has a bunch of these type presentations up . I find them interesting and spooky as well lol. It looks like somebody took a corpse and reanimated it... Lol. But these are very well done and there are some other great content providers on Youtube as well. Its always a good thing to pull out some these for discussion... It is such a treat to be able to go to Youtube and find a fight I am interested in! We never had anything like this when i was growing up... You wanted to see Frazier versus Ali again?!! Fine... You can be Ali this time, I will be Frazier!That is how we "recreated" fights we were interested in. You did have a couple of great programs where they would bring back the fighters and show the old fights... I lived for that weekly occurence!
They had Robinson and LaMotta... You could see the love and respect they had for each other and Lamotta!! was sharp as a tack! great sense of humor. Told the program MC "Sugar Ray hit me so much he gave me Diabetes!"
AI better get much better or I m going to refuse to allow it to be my new overlord.Comment
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Di@k I did not say NEW footage, I said RARE footage some of which has been cleaned up with the new editing of video work that makes it easier to view today. There are some did you knows as in the knock downs in his fights.
Stop lying bout what I said and in general. Some of the other board members appreciate the thread and my stuff. Why don't you do everyone a favor and place me and the numerous others that you have gone back and forth with on ignore? If your agenda makes you despise me, I really don't care.
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Nice drop. I hadn't seen this before. I'm usually not a fan of these computer-generated narrators and wonky AI, but this one was informative and in chronological order.Comment
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END.Last edited by Dr. Z; 06-01-2023, 03:52 PM.Comment
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"He(Mick Dooley) says that the best man he ever engaged was Peter Jackson.'Do you think that Peter in his prime,would beat the Jack Johnson of today? he was asked.Mick became emphatic. 'Fighting under the present interpretation of the rules, I do not think that Jackson would have a chance. I have seen both men fight, and I think I should be in a position to judge. Mind you, I did not see Johnson extended when he fought Burns; that fight was similar to the spectacle of a master thrashing his pupil. From what I did see of his skill, however, I should say that Jackson, with his out-fighting, would be easily Johnson's superior, but when the in-fighting came into vogue it would be 'Good-bye, Peter'. Johnson, with his powerful kidney and stomach punches, and his terrific uppercuts, would have ultimately sent poor old Peter to by-bye land. I do not think that Peter's physical make-up would have permitted him to stand the puninshment incidental and peculiar to infighting."
You don't have to agree with this opinion to see that it is well thought out. I cannot fathom posters denegrating Dooley's opinion. He was actually the first person to school Peter in boxing when he came to Sydney. Forget the seven or so listed contests, most were, as correctly pointed out, gloryfied exhibitions. The first 3 fights, especially the 1886 contest were in earnest, a lot of money on Dooley, especially by Larry Foley. Dooley fought Fitz, Slavin, Goddard, Choynski, Hall, O'Donnell, Felix among others and was a boxing instructor, trainer, promoter, cornerman and general enthusiast all his life. Jackson was his friend, he had no axe to grind, he would be as well equiped to give an opinion as any referee, reporter or indeed boxer who had seen both fighters. For balance, Parson Davies and Eugene Corrie chose Jackson over Johnson, lots of good opinions on either side out there if you do the ground work. Personally, it's a tough pick. Peter's weakness was the tough, aggresive fighter, a la Farnan, Goddard but Johnson was not that type. For sure, Jack never met as good a boxer as Jackson and I actually think Dooley has hit it on the head, could Johnson impose his infighting ability on Peter? fascinating senario and without film on Jackson I find it impossible to make a pick.Comment
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"He(Mick Dooley) says that the best man he ever engaged was Peter Jackson.'Do you think that Peter in his prime,would beat the Jack Johnson of today? he was asked.Mick became emphatic. 'Fighting under the present interpretation of the rules, I do not think that Jackson would have a chance. I have seen both men fight, and I think I should be in a position to judge. Mind you, I did not see Johnson extended when he fought Burns; that fight was similar to the spectacle of a master thrashing his pupil. From what I did see of his skill, however, I should say that Jackson, with his out-fighting, would be easily Johnson's superior, but when the in-fighting came into vogue it would be 'Good-bye, Peter'. Johnson, with his powerful kidney and stomach punches, and his terrific uppercuts, would have ultimately sent poor old Peter to by-bye land. I do not think that Peter's physical make-up would have permitted him to stand the puninshment incidental and peculiar to infighting."
You don't have to agree with this opinion to see that it is well thought out. I cannot fathom posters denegrating Dooley's opinion. He was actually the first person to school Peter in boxing when he came to Sydney. Forget the seven or so listed contests, most were, as correctly pointed out, gloryfied exhibitions. The first 3 fights, especially the 1886 contest were in earnest, a lot of money on Dooley, especially by Larry Foley. Dooley fought Fitz, Slavin, Goddard, Choynski, Hall, O'Donnell, Felix among others and was a boxing instructor, trainer, promoter, cornerman and general enthusiast all his life. Jackson was his friend, he had no axe to grind, he would be as well equiped to give an opinion as any referee, reporter or indeed boxer who had seen both fighters. For balance, Parson Davies and Eugene Corrie chose Jackson over Johnson, lots of good opinions on either side out there if you do the ground work. Personally, it's a tough pick. Peter's weakness was the tough, aggresive fighter, a la Farnan, Goddard but Johnson was not that type. For sure, Jack never met as good a boxer as Jackson and I actually think Dooley has hit it on the head, could Johnson impose his infighting ability on Peter? fascinating senario and without film on Jackson I find it impossible to make a pick.
I take them all, kick them all over town and then see what I think.
I was looking for the 'more information' you provided.
So he was making a prime to prime match-up like our fantasy fights. That's interesting.
Anyway, it's not a personal attack on this man, I challenge every source and I always go looking for the POSSIBLE biases.
I wasn't t necessarily saying he was, I was saying Was he?
There is a difference.
It's not degrading the fighter, or anyone for that matter, to question a historical source.
EVERYBODY gets the same treatment, from presidents to peasants. It's the rule.Comment
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