Since heavyweights of bygone eras were so light...

[billeau2]

yeah ike was so damn well built. he was so strong and powerful and skilled. i watched a yt video on him and it was sad he was bi polar and went untreated and led to him going off the rails.

very talented!

[QueensburyRules]

very talented!

- - So talented that Tua kept him moving, walking into counters all night long. Thanks for the reminder!

[billeau2]

- - So talented that Tua kept him moving, walking into counters all night long. Thanks for the reminder!

You seem to have a totally crazy way you judge fights and fighters lol:

"Jimmy Young ran all night, from George Foreman"
"Valuev is supreme"
" Holmes never beat a real opponent"

etc etc etc

[QueensburyRules]

You seem to have a totally crazy way you judge fights and fighters lol:

"Jimmy Young ran all night, from George Foreman"
"Valuev is supreme"
" Holmes never beat a real opponent"

etc etc etc

- - Reverting back to your Kerouac/Ginsberg free flushing word salad again, is ya?

Valuev was never conclusively beat, losing only two political DKing decisions.
Young ran from George save the one brief moment when he ran George into a straight right that dropped him for the KD in the last round.
Lar did beat Shavers twice, but no way he gonna fight Young, George, or give Norton the immediate big $$$ rematch fans was screaming for.

Yer welcome...

[billeau2]

- - Reverting back to your Kerouac/Ginsberg free flushing word salad again, is ya?

Valuev was never conclusively beat, losing only two political DKing decisions.
Young ran from George save the one brief moment when he ran George into a straight right that dropped him for the KD in the last round.
Lar did beat Shavers twice, but no way he gonna fight Young, George, or give Norton the immediate big $$$ rematch fans was screaming for.

Yer welcome...

[Dr. Z]

I agree He would he be heavier. And more sluggish. Its a myth that packing on weight in a boxing match is beneficial, unless the fighter was drained and needs to move up. Ideal weight is the goal. If a fighter needs to be a bit heavier then so be it, but 99% of heavyweights today are carrying way to much weight. Many of them might be cruisers but well never know.

when I look at Tyson Fury, even as tall as he is and 250+ lbs, I think Fury could drop 30-40 lbs, hes carrying that all as lard. If he did it quickly it wouldnâÂÂt benefit him, had he trained his whole career lighter though - he would learn to fight quicker and with more agility because everything is easier when lighter.

we saw Wilder come in lighter than Joe Louis (who fought charles) so imo this super heavyweight idea is a combination of freak show tactics and just better quality footage which makes fighters seem bigger. On the scale though and framewise I beg to differ.

Buddy Baer - 6 ft 6 250 lbs
Jess Willard 6 ft 7 (some say 6 ft 8) 240 lbs
Primo Carnera 6 ft 5 240+ lbs
Gerry Cooney 6 ft 6 235 lbs (cooney was a solid boxer at least)

I would rank Fury and Joshua in this same group overall. If this was the division they would all be competitive fights and IâÂÂd take Cooney as the victor, Fury second. With guys like Anthony Joshua, he was 237 lbs in his fight with Ruiz, and he still looks like a body builder. I think judging by his thin face and glass jaw, Joshua is actually a tall and lean 215 lbder.



just freaks brought in because its a draw. The big guys today are no better, although Fury displays some ring IQ better than the rest - heâÂÂs no master boxer. Squeaking out a decision over an old Wlad and knocking out Wilder are making him look good - partly because he rose to the occasion. However, any great sound boxer would knock Wilder out because Wilder doesnâÂÂt defend himself and his legs are glued to the ground because heâÂÂs so top heavy. Michael Moorer is much smaller than Wilder, but he would knock Wilder out and easily. Moore is technically sound, his movements are smooth and hard to read. Everything works off perpetual rythms . Wilder is stiff with no fundamentals, someone who got famous for swinging on over matched oponents.

I think Fury and Joshua are more talated then those four, but that not saying much. However they are no Wlad, Vitaly or Lewis! Wilder can't fight and IMO has a shaky chin. Joshua is what he is. Both beat old men!

The next wave of big men in Hrgovic and Jalolov project higher than those four too.

[GelfSara]

- - No, themapples is just a scattered free form streaming AI consciousness implant into a zombie.

Or simply a troll. Getting stronger does not make you stronger, etc.

[billeau2]

Or simply a troll. Getting stronger does not make you stronger, etc.

Do you actually read the thread?

[GelfSara]

Do you actually read the thread?

Unfortunately, the whole darn thing.

[billeau2]

Unfortunately, the whole darn thing.

Then have someone explain it to you. You know what pisses me off about trolls like you? Whether you are really bereft enough that you lack comprehension, or are pretending to do so, you all forget one thing: Nobody is forcing you to read the thread. Nobody is twisting your arm... Think about it.