Why are Rocky Marciano fan's so delusional?

[max baer]

Marciano was a great fighter and champion,there are very ,very few men under 190lbs I would give a decent chance with him.

yeah me either

[Ivich]

Could not agree more. Johnson is known for wins over burns, Ketchel, and Jeffries. Burns and Ketchel were both 5 foot nothing and were middleweight at best. Jeffries hasn't fought in 6 six years and had to lose 100 pounds. yet Johnson who made a career out of fighting fat MWs is great. But Rocky sucks for fighting HWs of his era.

The average weight of Johnsons challengers was the highest until Joe Louis retired.
Jeffries did not lose 100lbs.
Q . Which fat middleweights did Johnson fight?
Q. Ketchel was five feet nine and weighed 170lbs for Johnson do you see any fat on him in the film of their fight?
Q. How about Burns? Does he look fat in their fight?
Some of Johnson's opponents.
Willard 238
Jeffries 227
Martin 203
Ferguson 210
Kaufman 191
Jeannette 185
Hart 195
Munroe 220+
Kennedy 200+
Ross 214
Flynn194
Wright 211
Moran 203
Smith 197
Lester 225
Johnson 223

Q.Now point out where I said Marciano sucks?

You decided to add your 2 cents here.
Now would you be so kind as to answer my 4 questions please?

[max baer]

The average weight of Johnsons challengers was the highest until Joe Louis retired.
Jeffries did not lose 100lbs.
Q . Which fat middleweights did Johnson fight?
Q. Ketchel was five feet nine and weighed 170lbs for Johnson do you see any fat on him in the film of their fight?
Q. How about Burns? Does he look fat in their fight?
Some of Johnson's opponents.
Willard 238
Jeffries 227
Martin 203
Ferguson 210
Kaufman 191
Jeannette 185
Hart 195
Munroe 220+
Kennedy 200+
Ross 214
Flynn194
Wright 211
Moran 203
Smith 197
Lester 225
Johnson 223

Q.Now point out where I said Marciano sucks?

You decided to add your 2 cents here.
Now would you be so kind as to answer my 4 questions please?

did you know that in the olden days boxers didn't punch the face much as that could break the hands as the head is all bone. so boxers punched the body and not the head. So there were less knockouts and more pain and hurt as they were both pounding each other's body.

[Ivich]

did you know that in the olden days boxers didn't punch the face much as that could break the hands as the head is all bone. so boxers punched the body and not the head. So there were less knockouts and more pain and hurt as they were both pounding each other's body.

Did you know you are referring to bare- knuckle fights? LOL

[max baer]

Did you know you are referring to bare- knuckle fights? LOL

yeah i was

[QueensburyRules]

Foreman was a great come back story. But he was very active and is known for his come back win over former light heavyweight and glass chined Moorer. He cashed in on his punchers chances vs a chinny opponent.

- - Moorer was undefeated, never KOed with something like a 90% KO ratio.

Big George also BTFO out of Field such that he can no longer hold on to his belts as his KO% nosedive along with his loses.

In short, Big George lost title fights to Ali and Field, but BTFO them so badly they were never the same, losing a couple of battles before winning the WAR

Time to study up...

[GhostofDempsey]

The average weight of Johnsons challengers was the highest until Joe Louis retired.
Jeffries did not lose 100lbs.
Q . Which fat middleweights did Johnson fight?
Q. Ketchel was five feet nine and weighed 170lbs for Johnson do you see any fat on him in the film of their fight?
Q. How about Burns? Does he look fat in their fight?
Some of Johnson's opponents.
Willard 238
Jeffries 227
Martin 203
Ferguson 210
Kaufman 191
Jeannette 185
Hart 195
Munroe 220+
Kennedy 200+
Ross 214
Flynn194
Wright 211
Moran 203
Smith 197
Lester 225
Johnson 223

Q.Now point out where I said Marciano sucks?

You decided to add your 2 cents here.
Now would you be so kind as to answer my 4 questions please?

Most of his opponents were no-hopers, weight didn't matter. His best wins were against smaller opponents. And you're lying, Jeffries did in fact lose up to 100 pounds while preparing to fight him.

[QueensburyRules]

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Jeffries did not lose 100lbs.

- - Understood he lost as much as 120 lbs.

Jeff 1st record weight age 21 was 195 that he was never close to again. More than any heavy champ, his weight fluctuated significantly from fight to fight, his highest being 240lb, but if you read his training logs, he was heavy on cardio training and literally dainty on the training table, almost birdseed anorexic.

First clip I've ever seen of him was entering the ring post Fitz/Corbett KO 3/17/1897. He dwarfed all others, a moving mountain among men, likely near 300lbs.

Yet 4 wks later, he's 210lb vs Buskirk. Jeff more gourmand than fighter, but it was fights that put the delights on his table, hence his early retirement where he no longer had to starve himself.

BoxRec: James J Jeffries.

[Ivich]

Most of his opponents were no-hopers, weight didn't matter. His best wins were against smaller opponents. And you're lying, Jeffries did in fact lose up to 100 pounds while preparing to fight him.

No Jeffries didnt, read Pollack's book on Jeffries.I dont lie I've no need to I have verified sources to back up my posts unlike yourself who never offers anything but a load of twaddle.

How does it feel ,being in a trio with DrZ and Queensbury?
Jeffries
Hart
Jeannette
Ferguson
Kaufman
Moran
Martin
Johnson
Klon***e
Flynn
McVey
Were not no hopers.
Your hatred blinds you to the facts .

[Willie Pep 229]

I feel somehow you guys have talked yourself into thinking that 200 lbs is the definition of HW.

When I look at Ivica's list I just picked off the fighters I perceived (along with most observers) the fighters that were, in their day, regarded as HWs. Regardless of their relationship to the magic mark of 200.

The whole weight thing, 200 lbs, is to me a bogus benchmark for HW, which I believe is motivated by judging, in the end, how the fighter would do today. It is just fantasy, not history.

But anyway, why 200 lbs? Is it because it is a round number?

Don't see why 200 lbs is an important benchmark for this debate. Who said it was?