Why are Rocky Marciano fan's so delusional?

[Dr. Z]

They constantly rank this guy as one of the greatest heavyweights of all time even though by modern standards he would be a small cruiser weight/slightly above average light heavyweight. These people are so delusional these people act like logic doesn't apply to Rocky Marciano. They will tell you since. Mike Tyson, George Foreman, Lennox Lewis, Wladimir Klitschko ect were beat by modern sized heavyweights then that means 180 pound Rocky Marciano could do the same. They will tell you sized doesn't matter in boxing but yet there are weight classes and if you ask them then could Floyd Mayweather beat Marciano they will say no because Mayweather is too small. So size only doesn't matter when it benefits their point.

Marciano fanboys are so delusional that they can't grasp that even if you want to say Marciano was a hard puncher for 180 pounds ( He wasn't and I will get to that in a second). How does that equate to him being a hard puncher compared to 200 plus pound heavyweights? It is like saying since Julian Jackson punched harder for 155-160 that means Jackson could knock out Deontay Wilder.

Marciano wasn't even good for 180 pound standards. Marciano was lucky to fight in a era where the Mafia controlled boxing and staged his fights and hand picked his opponents. His KO percentage is a product of that. It is like saying since Tye Fields and David Rodriguez had high KO percentages then it must of meant they punched hard. No Tye Fields and Rodriguez didn't fight anybody and neither did Marciano (Besides old glass chin, Joe Louis, Jersey Joe Walcott, Archie Moore and faded Ezzard Charles).

The only other boxing fans who are this delusional are Tyson Fury, Wladimir Klistchko and Mike Tyson fans. But at least this guys were heavyweights so you can compare them to heavyweights.

It's not only them, but Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey and Joe Louis fans too. Each man was KO by short and light man under 200 pounds. Let that sink in.

At least in Rocky case he never lost. They were all too small and did not face Ali like competition. Fans need to get real.

Fury meets next to no top 10 ring magazine rated opponents, and the one he does were very old ( Wlad was 39 or fat and not that good in Whyte ). Well he was 2-0-1 vs. Wilder who beat nobody!

[Willow The Wisp]

Don't feed the the trolls. A pivot fluffer at the BJJ academy.

[JAB5239]

Don't feed the the trolls. A pivot fluffer at the BJJ academy.

It's a shame they keep letting this clown back. He's not here for any sort of discussion. If you disagree he'll just put you on ignore and keep trolling the board.

[mrbig1]

I will just say this. Name another HW who had every disadvantage for a fighter. 67" reach 5' 10" tall 187 pounds. He was king in his era. You would have to kill Rocky to take his title. His will and heart are only match by a very few. the problem is these people who pick on Rocky has never been in the ring. Like I always said. If you're stronger than me, I can get around that. If you're faster than me, I can get around that too. If a guy shows up with that fire, will, heart. Well then, it's time to fight. You can't get around that. You hit him as hard as you can, and he likes it. A non stop punching machine who is just as fresh in round 15 as round 1. No, he can't beat Ali, or Lewis. So big deal. listen to what they are saying. They are kids in high school who can beat Jesses Owens record. Does that mean Jesses Owens is overrated?

[JAB5239]

I will just say this. Name another HW who had every disadvantage for a fighter. 67" reach 5' 10" tall 187 pounds. He was king in his era. You would have to kill Rocky to take his title. His will and heart are only match by a very few. the problem is these people who pick on Rocky has never been in the ring. Like I always said. If you're stronger than me, I can get around that. If you're faster than me, I can get around that too. If a guy shows up with that fire, will, heart. Well then, it's time to fight. You can't get around that. You hit him as hard as you can, and he likes it. A non stop punching machine who is just as fresh in round 15 as round 1. No, he can't beat Ali, or Lewis. So big deal. listen to what they are saying. They are kids in high school who can beat Jesses Owens record. Does that mean Jesses Owens is overrated?

Great post!!! My only disagreement is Jesse Owen's. If he ran today, on today's tracks with today's running shoes and training techniques, medical technology etc. I think he is amongst the best in the world.

[QueensburyRules]

I am not banned though and everything I typed was right. I also blocked Willie Pep 229 so I don't see why this person keeps typing to me. I only seen his comment because of Nathan Sturley replied to him. Lol but the moment this kid brought up Tyson Fury in the same breath as Floyd Mayweather I realized why I put him on ignore. First off Tyson Fury isn't great even for this time frame. He beat a old Wladimir Klistchko and a unskilled Wilder. Even then Tyson Fury is a heavyweight. Since forever anything over 200 pounds is considered a heavyweight. Marciano isn't a heavyweight anymore. He would be a light heavyweight. So people still considered him a all time great at heavyweight is hilarious beyond hilarious.

Even if you wanted to say well was Marciano good for 185 pound standards the answer would be a flat no. Beating washed up has been doesn't make you great. Also 2 of those has been were much smaller Marciano naturally (Ezzard Charles and Archie Moore). If you say well was Marciano great for his time frame, The answer would be still be no for the same reason. Marciano best wins were again Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles, Jersey Joe Walcott, and Joe Louis. Each of these guys were either past their primes physically or on the down side of their careers. Besides those guys Marciano fought mob controlled fighters, tomato cans, other old men and people paid by the mafia to take a dive for him.

George Foreman, Larry Holmes, Muhammad Ali turned pro 50-60 years ago and are still great by modern standards. All each of these guys are still heavyweights by modern standards. Marciano wasn't great for a 185 pound guy and he isn't a heavyweight by modern standards.

- - 300lb Lar who used to be skinny has 0-6, 0 KO title record vs standing champs having won their title in the ring.

He won the sparest split decision in the history of boxing over Ken Norton who never won a single title bout though most thought he whooped Ali thrice, the last being for Ali's title.

What grade they put you back in for the next school year?

[Ivich]

It's not only them, but Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey and Joe Louis fans too. Each man was KO by short and light man under 200 pounds. Let that sink in.

At least in Rocky case he never lost. They were all too small and did not face Ali like competition. Fans need to get real.

Fury meets next to no top 10 ring magazine rated opponents, and the one he does were very old ( Wlad was 39 or fat and not that good in Whyte ). Well he was 2-0-1 vs. Wilder who beat nobody!

Not like all those giants Jim Jeffries fought eh? LOL Complete hypocrisy!

[Dr. Z]

Not like all those giants Jim Jeffries fought eh? LOL Complete hypocrisy!

Which one 200 pound or less beat Jeffries? No one did. By my count Jeffries for 8 men at or above 200 pounds. Compare that with what I said. Historians consider Jeffries competition to be excellent. He fought the best of his times. Historians will tell you Johnson title opposition was poor. The hypocrisy is yours selective picking and choosing your data and quotes to support you Jack Johnson is *** while ignoring many other points and facts.

[Ivich]

Which one 200 pound or less beat Jeffries? No one did. By my count Jeffries for 8 men at or above 200 pounds. Compare that with what I said. Historians consider Jeffries competition to be excellent. He fought the best of his times. Historians will tell you Johnson title opposition was poor. The hypocrisy is yours selective picking and choosing your data and quotes to support you Jack Johnson is *** while ignoring many other points and facts.

Jeffries weight advantage over opponents.
Griffin 40lbs
Finnigan 60lbs
Corbett1. 30lbs
Corbett 2. 27lbs
Fitz 1. 39lbs
Fitz 2. 47lbs
Choynski 43lbs
Sharkey 1. 20lbs
Sharkey 2. 27lbs
Jeffries fought 5 men 200lbs or over These are Facts!
LOL!

[Dr. Z]

I will just say this. Name another HW who had every disadvantage for a fighter. 67" reach 5' 10" tall 187 pounds. He was king in his era. You would have to kill Rocky to take his title. His will and heart are only match by a very few. the problem is these people who pick on Rocky has never been in the ring. Like I always said. If you're stronger than me, I can get around that. If you're faster than me, I can get around that too. If a guy shows up with that fire, will, heart. Well then, it's time to fight. You can't get around that. You hit him as hard as you can, and he likes it. A non stop punching machine who is just as fresh in round 15 as round 1. No, he can't beat Ali, or Lewis. So big deal. listen to what they are saying. They are kids in high school who can beat Jesses Owens record. Does that mean Jesses Owens is overrated?

Very good post. Tiny Tommy Burns was probably the least of the tale of the tale champions. He stood 5'7" and weighed but 168 pounds when he lost his title to Jack Johnson. He was a darn super middle weight today and stood at the height of the joe avenge lightweight today. Talk about small. Think about that and you will see he too like Rocky has to over come a lot on the measurements and weight.