Did Jack Johnson participate in fixed fights?

[QueensburyRules]

The Mann Act (The White-Slave Traffic Act) was passed on June of 1910. JJ was arrested in October and then again in November of 1912.

Johnson didn't marry Lucille Cameron until December 4th 1912, so while the arrest was certainly politically motivated, the legal boiler plate was good enough.

He crossed a State line with an unmarried "White" women who held a previous conviction for prostitution.

I would be curious to here what argument the bio you are reading offers.

- - The Cameron charge was bogus, instigated by her vengeful mother and tossed out of court along with her other charges, so JJ was getting fair justice in court.

The charges JJ was convicted on concern previous love interest Belle Schreiber, a **********. She and he set up a fine mansion with **********s after he drove from Illinois with her with the cash funds needed to start the operation back east, clearly a Mann Act violation. I remember the legal transcripts as open and shut, but if indeed JJ did this before the Mann act, such an act would not fall under that statute.

I'm in no hurry, but eventually I'll get my grubbies on the transcript that has specific dates mentioned with actions taken. I currently have a gazillion things going on.

[Willie Pep 229]

- - The Cameron charge was bogus, instigated by her vengeful mother and tossed out of court along with her other charges, so JJ was getting fair justice in court.

The charges JJ was convicted on concern previous love interest Belle Schreiber, a **********. She and he set up a fine mansion with **********s after he drove from Illinois with her with the cash funds needed to start the operation back east, clearly a Mann Act violation. I remember the legal transcripts as open and shut, but if indeed JJ did this before the Mann act, such an act would not fall under that statute.

I'm in no hurry, but eventually I'll get my grubbies on the transcript that has specific dates mentioned with actions taken. I currently have a gazillion things going on.

Yea the Cameron charge was started by the mother with a very ****** accusation but it really fell apart when they realized Cameron wouldn't go Monica Lewinsky on JJ so they had to drop the October charge.

Schreiber was willing to cooperate (plea deal) thus the November charge.

I didn't understand, but get your point now; we need to know if he was traveling with Schreiber before summer 1910.

[Ivich]

What part of debunked don't you understand. You can't be this ******.

He isn't he just has this compulsion to make these ridiculous remarks,dissapointing.

[Dr. Z]

Johnson entered the ring against Klon***e,"looking dangerously thin" George Siler the great referee and the man credited with having discovered Johnson said Johnson did not have any victuals in his stomach , he had been living off what he could scrounge at free lunch counters.Johnson floored Klon***e in the 1 st rd but went down later in the fight from a left to the stomach and was counted out.
Johnson at 37 past prime, and overweight went 26 rounds with the giant Willard and after 20rds was in front.Then he began to wear down, knowing he was not strong enough to stop Willard and that he had a further 25 rds to go he could have quit,but he didnt, 6 rounds later he succumbed to a terrific right hand and exhaustion.
Johnson went 10 rds with Battling Jim Johnson,7 of them with a broken arm did he quit? No.

Johnson went into the ring with Jeffries knowing the audience despised him and wanted him to be beaten.did he quit? No.
Was he intimidated? No.He grinned at his detractors and talked to Jeffries and his corner as he beat Jeffries up.
One of Johnson's balls would be twice the size of your brain,you bigoted hater.
Klon***e and Johnson fought for a purse of $35

Your expression," quit like a dog ," just says it all about your obssession with Johnson . Thanks for giving me the opportunity to post the real reaction to you being banned from Classic posters will note its striking difference to your "version".

They will also not how often you are posting here,and that's because you can't do so anywhere else! lol

Siler knew that? What was he rooming with Johnson? What was Klon***e's condition? Siler also said Peter Jackson was better than Jack Johnson by long odds. Keep up with your natiatve that all of Johnson's fighter were on the level. I laugh in your face you lying bigot. Don't not post about me on ESB. Two people have commented on the action there and the moderator here frowns upon it.

If the Jim battling Johnson fight was 15 or more rounds, Jack Johnson surely would have been knocked out as he was on the verge of being stopped in the 10th, and final Jack Johnson barely missed losing his heavyweight championship in a ten round bout here last night. Jeffries' conqueror met Battling Jim Johnson, a big negro from Memphis Tenn. and barely lasted through the final round. He was tottering and groggy at the finish. A few rounds more and he might have been knocked out. . . . In the last minute of the fight the Memphis negro rushed Johnson to the ropes and in a mixup both went to the floor, with Jack's arm around Jim's waist. Both were on their feet quickly but Jack looked exhausted just as the final bell rang. It is possible that Jack hurt his arm in the fall to the floor. . . . In the seventh round the Memphis man succeeded in breaking down Jack's guard and three times after landing on the body grazed Jack's jaw with terrific uppercuts

[Ivich]

Siler knew that? What was he rooming with Johnson? What was Klon***e's condition? Siler also said Peter Jackson was better than Jack Johnson by long odds. Keep up with your natiatve that all of Johnson's fighter were on the level. I laugh in your face you lying bigot. Don't not post about me on ESB. Two people have commented on the action there and the moderator here frowns upon it.

You've quoted Siler comparing Jackson to Johnson multiple times on the forum you are banned from,what you never mention,though I have pointed it out to you several times, is that Siler never saw Johnson fight when Jack was champion.
The reason for this is Siler died in the middle of 1908 and Johnson did not win the title until december26th of that year,Boxing Day.So Siler never saw Johnson's famous victories did he?
Judging Johnson on his record pre title is like judging Muhammad Ali on his fights up to the first Liston fight!
Now point out where I have said all Johnson's fights were on the level?
I'll post about you wherever and whenever I like.
You mentioned the Classic post not Me, and I'm glad you did,because it gave me an opportunity to post just what that Forum and its moderators think of you!

A word to the wise.You are semi -illiterate so its best if you do not try and use words you not only do not understand ,but don't know how to spell ,because it only highlights how ****** you are.
NATIATVE = WRONG
NARRATIVE = CORRECT

[Dr. Z]

Tony Mcvey, aka Ivich, Tonto62 and others. You were banned several times! Why do don't you admit it? Siler said the in his book after Hart beat Johnson in 1905. Siler was partial to Jack so for him to say that Jackson was better by long odds means something. Who else can you name that saw them both and compare the two? I expect no reply as usual.

No he did not live to see Johnson beating up on super middleweight in Burns, getting out boxed according to some in a " news draw " vs. a shop worn 162 pound O'Brien, or getting floored by a super middle weight ( he was 155 pounds I say, not even close to the fighter listening of 170 ) in Ketchel. All of the above happened when Johnson was in his absolute prime! Oh these super middles form 1909 let me tell you about them! In fact Johnson was KO's by a super middle weight earlier in Choynski! ( KO 3 ) The heavyweight champion of the world should be embarrassed.

Stop trying to change the topic. The title of this thread is, " Did Jack Johnson participate in fixed fights? "

Next!

[Ivich]

Tony Mcvey, aka Ivich, Tonto62 and others. You were banned several times! Why do don't you admit it? Siler said the in his book after Hart beat Johnson in 1905, and Siler was partial to Jack so for him to say that Jackson was better by long odds means something. How else can you name that saw them both and compare the two? I expect no reply as usual.

No he did not live to see Johnson beating up on super middleweight in Burns , getting out boxed according to some in a " news draw " vs. a shop win 162 pound O'Brien, or getting floored by a super middle weight ( he was 155 pounds I say, not even close to the fighter listening of 170 ) in Ketchel. All of the above happened when Johnson was in his absolute prime! Oh these super middles form 1909 let me tell you about them! In fact Johnson was KO's by a super middle weight earlier in Choynski! ( KO 3 ) The heavyweight champion of the world should be embarrassed.

Stop trying to change the topic. The title of this thread is, " Did Jack Johnson participate in fixed fights? "

Next!

I amend my last post.You are not semi- illiterate,you ARE illiterate! LOL

[QueensburyRules]

Yea the Cameron charge was started by the mother with a very ****** accusation but it really fell apart when they realized Cameron wouldn't go Monica Lewinsky on JJ so they had to drop the October charge.

Schreiber was willing to cooperate (plea deal) thus the November charge.

I didn't understand, but get your point now; we need to know if he was traveling with Schreiber before summer 1910.

- - Since JJ was pardoned, those are the predominant google search results.

Here a Chicago Tribune link showing a different phase of the trial, but they don't include dates. What I read was the legal transcript of the trial that I'm sure gives approximate dates.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...366-story.html

[Willie Pep 229]

- - Since JJ was pardoned, those are the predominant google search results.

Here a Chicago Tribune link showing a different phase of the trial, but they don't include dates. What I read was the legal transcript of the trial that I'm sure gives approximate dates.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...366-story.html

Yea the date of his interaction with Schreiber is not mentioned.

What is funny is the 'consulting adult' defense. If the incident had in fact happened before summer 1910 one would expect JJ's lawyer to move right to an expost facto defense; then the csse never comes before a jury.

Maybe the timing wasn't t right for JJ or he had a bad lawyer. But he did have the money to hire a good lawyer.

A second thing that bothers me about the timing is that it is most likely (but not certain) that JJ would not have had the money to set Schreiber up in business before the Jeffries fight in summer 1910.

That's when he got his hands on some serious cash. His take for the Burns fight wasn't much, but his take for Ketchel was big, so if he made the 'investment move' after the Ketchel fight but before Jeffries, then the expost facto clause argument just might hold.

But why didn't his lawyer make it?

[QueensburyRules]

Yea the date of his interaction with Schreiber is not mentioned.

What is funny is the 'consulting adult' defense. If the incident had in fact happened before summer 1910 one would expect JJ's lawyer to move right to an expost facto defense; then the csse never comes before a jury.

Maybe the timing wasn't t right for JJ or he had a bad lawyer. But he did have the money to hire a good lawyer.

A second thing that bothers me about the timing is that it is most likely (but not certain) that JJ would not have had the money to set Schreiber up in business before the Jeffries fight in summer 1910.

That's when he got his hands on some serious cash. His take for the Burns fight wasn't much, but his take for Ketchel was big, so if he made the 'investment move' after the Ketchel fight but before Jeffries, then the expost facto clause argument just might hold.

But why didn't his lawyer make it?

- - Well, extrapolating from my JJ autobio, he entered into near 2 dozen, maybe more ventures that were most profitable, including a couple years as a Wall street trader, so he was rolling in cash most of his adult life if we accept his autobio.

Still not the actual court reporter transcripts, but more here sugared with baseball.

https://www.pbs.org/kenburns/unforgi...ohnsons-arrest