Smooth legends on youtube at it again HD upscaled footage of dempsey

[them_apples]

Footage improves in quality half way through

Dempsey w the baiting headmovement making Tunney miss, tunney countering this by doing an inordinate amount of feinting

Tunney with that inside straight right hand, I've seen Archie Moore do this as well. Very surprising how crafty Tunney is, some of those crosses and jabs are like lazers and he's constantly changing his timing.

Also note how dirty Dempsey is. Constantly low blowing, seems very heavy handed, some of the misses look brutal if they connected.

You can see how much worse they look if the footage was garbage like we are used to

[kara]

Footage improves in quality half way through

Dempsey w the baiting headmovement making Tunney miss, tunney countering this by doing an inordinate amount of feinting

Tunney with that inside straight right hand, I've seen Archie Moore do this as well. Very surprising how crafty Tunney is, some of those crosses and jabs are like lazers and he's constantly changing his timing.

Also note how dirty Dempsey is. Constantly low blowing, seems very heavy handed, some of the misses look brutal if they connected.

You can see how much worse they look if the footage was garbage like we are used to

Good find as usual, them_apples

[GhostofDempsey]

Care to timestamp some of these “constant” low blows you’re talking about? I’m not seeing it. I see a few on the belt line or just above, but nothing low. Tunney certainly wasn’t complaining and the ref didn’t give any warnings. What I do see is excessive clinching and holding by Tunney, and lots of rabbit punches from Dempsey in those clinches and some being returned by Gene.

[QueensburyRules]

- - This by far the best, most cleaned version of the fight I've ever seen, but unfortunately the slo-mo count on Tunney was speeded up on the 9 count as he started to rise, so hard to say if he beat the ten count.

Dempsey gone soft and rusty in Hollywood was certainly a match for Tunney, and both have some very good hand speed needing better film technology than available in the day.

Big George was up by the time, 9 sec on the Ali video when Clayton KOed him. Clayton was an old man wore out from having to separate the fighters in tropical conditions. Perhaps being an old guy raised in the country, he sensed the thunderous storm that swept out everyone shortly thereafter and decided NOW was the time to git the hell outta Dodge.

[Willie Pep 229]

Care to timestamp some of these “constant” low blows you’re talking about? I’m not seeing it. I see a few on the belt line or just above, but nothing low. Tunney certainly wasn’t complaining and the ref didn’t give any warnings. What I do see is excessive clinching and holding by Tunney, and lots of rabbit punches from Dempsey in those clinches and some being returned by Gene.

I saw the first four rounds as even. Tunney does much grabbing, neutralizing Dempsey's attacks much like Ali. Not actually great fighting, but it was Jack Dempsey coming at him so grabbing him made sense.

Tunney slowly opens up his offense and in the end I would say it was a Tunney decision. But much closer than history remembers.

I have read ******s on this forum say Tunney dominated Dempsey in '27 and that is just plain silly. This film shows us that.

I saw no obvious or deliberate low blows by Dempsey. Not to say he never did use such tactics because the man himself said he did. But I didn't see it in this film. I think the claim above was made based historical factoids. I.e. Dempsey was known as a dirty fighter so therfore he must have been dirty here as well.

P.S. When Dempsey and Willard jawed out their fight, both fighters agreed that some rabbit punching in the clinches was inevitable, but that kidney shots (e.g. Jones-Hill) were right out and would result in a DQ. Funny how rules shift and/or change.

[Willie Pep 229]

- - This by far the best, most cleaned version of the fight I've ever seen, but unfortunately the slo-mo count on Tunney was speeded up on the 9 count as he started to rise, so hard to say if he beat the ten count.

Dempsey gone soft and rusty in Hollywood was certainly a match for Tunney, and both have some very good hand speed needing better film technology than available in the day.

Big George was up by the time, 9 sec on the Ali video when Clayton KOed him. Clayton was an old man wore out from having to separate the fighters in tropical conditions. Perhaps being an old guy raised in the country, he sensed the thunderous storm that swept out everyone shortly thereafter and decided NOW was the time to git the hell outta Dodge.

Someone on this forum, I don't remember who, made an excellent point about the Foreman count.

When the referee waved the fight over Foreman didn't complain but instead walked directly to his corner and submitted to the call. I.e. He acted like a beaten fighter.

[QueensburyRules]

Someone on this forum, I don't remember who, made an excellent point about the Foreman count.

When the referee waved the fight over Foreman didn't complain but instead walked directly to his corner and submitted to the call. I.e. He acted like a beaten fighter.

- - Heh, heh, and while Foreman was uncomplaining and physically cogent, Ali was busy collapsing in the ring and had to be carried to his stool.

Hence Ferdie and Herbert forbade Ali to ever rematch Foreman for all the tea in China. Wepner showed just how far Ali had fallen.

[them_apples]

One thing for me I notice now is Tunney is a lighter framed fighter than Dempsey, who seems very heavy handed in his punches judging by his followthrough. Like a shavers or Rocky. Previously these 2 look similar in poor quality, and much sloppier. Once it got cleaned up you can see a whole lot of skills and savvy.

I always envisioned Dempsey as puncher who hit hard because of his speed, but he actually looks like a natural heavy puncher. One of those hooks could decapitate the right oponent.

[them_apples]

Care to timestamp some of these “constant” low blows you’re talking about? I’m not seeing it. I see a few on the belt line or just above, but nothing low. Tunney certainly wasn’t complaining and the ref didn’t give any warnings. What I do see is excessive clinching and holding by Tunney, and lots of rabbit punches from Dempsey in those clinches and some being returned by Gene.

when they are in the clinch dempsey gets a free hand a low blows him repeatedly or rabbit punches. Its his way of saying don’t clinch. Tunney isn’t complaining but a lot of fighters didn’t complain back then. Especially since holding is a bad look in the 20s-30s

remember, these guys aren’t wearing the trunks that came out in the mid 30s with a thick belt that sits above the hips. These are the old ones that rest just above the obliques. You can see both of them arent fat but have small love handle indicators. Later on, some fighters used to flip the big belt inside the trunks (duran did this). I guess some fighters like smaller or lighter trunks, considering the first breed wore heavy duty thongs lol.

the big belt also might have something to do with the protectors that got bigger.

[Willie Pep 229]

when they are in the clinch dempsey gets a free hand a low blows him repeatedly or rabbit punches. Its his way of saying don�¢����t clinch. Tunney isn�t complaining but a lot of fighters didn�t complain back then. Especially since holding is a bad look in the 20s-30s

remember, these guys aren�¢����t wearing the trunks that came out in the mid 30s with a thick belt that sits above the hips. These are the old ones that rest just above the obliques. You can see both of them arent fat but have small love handle indicators. Later on, some fighters used to flip the big belt inside the trunks (duran did this). I guess some fighters like smaller or lighter trunks, considering the first breed wore heavy duty thongs lol.

the big belt also might have something to do with the protectors that got bigger.

Kidney belts were illegal until 1931. They are not wearing belts. They changed the low blow rules the same year to adjust to the new use of belts.

The Schmeling-Sharkey fight and then contender Carnera being DQed just two weeks later prompted the change.