Langford vs Greb

[Dr. Z]

Of course you did. You have proven even Tunney's own people said Greb's fouling was unintentional. Thank you!!

Refs give warnings all the time. Why wasn't he repeatedly docked points and disqualified?

Using Norfolk who was disqualified five times and thumbed Greb so violently he lost eyesight is hardly worth mentioning. If Greb were intentionally dirty there would be fighters saying such.

You keep reverting to the boxing hall of fame. Like you they probably believed the myths told in the book "Give him to the angels" that have been repeated with no solid proof. A book that was pulled and ridiculed for its blatent exaggerations. "Live fast and die young" and "The fearless Harry Greb" didn't come out until long after the IBHOF opened its doors, and to my knowledge has never edited any of its fighters descriptions.

You didn't say what? You're saying he is dirty for unintentional fouls, right? If that is the case you have to agree a guy like Wlad who clin he'd excessively and d****d himself over opponents intentionally was in fact a dirty fighter....because he did it intentionally!! You can't have it both ways. And you really haven't unearthed much. You can't find a single fighter claiming Greb as a cheat or dirty.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.....Grebs style was rough and found were bound to happen. But even Tunney said Greb was not a dirty fighter and Tunneys camp thought Greb never INTENTIONALLY fouled.

What you said "I do not believe Greb is deliberate in his violation's"

I never said this! Don't misquote me, okay.


Yes I can find a single fighter saying Greb cheated / was dirty. But before I do will you admit If I do, that Greb was dirty? Well?

[JAB5239]

What you said "I do not believe Greb is deliberate in his violation's"

I never said this! Don't misquote me, okay.


Yes I can find a single fighter saying Greb cheated / was dirty. But before I do will you admit If I do, that Greb was dirty? Well?

Sure, I'll say he's dirty as long as you agree Wlad is dirty. Deal? I mean after all, if you consider unintentional fouls dirty you must consider intention fouling equally as dirty, right?

And the quote "I do not believe Greb is deliberate in his violations" is not a quote from me but from Tunney's manager Billy Gibson. As pointed out Gibson had just left Greb and was looking to put Harry on the defensive.

I'm happy you can find a SINGLE fighter. We've been at this a week and I've yet to see a single quote from a fighter yet except the ones ive provided aying Greb wasnt dirty.

[Dr. Z]

Sure, I'll say he's dirty as long as you agree Wlad is dirty. Deal? I mean after all, if you consider unintentional fouls dirty you must consider intention fouling equally as dirty, right?

And the quote "I do not believe Greb is deliberate in his violations" is not a quote from me but from Tunney's manager Billy Gibson. As pointed out Gibson had just left Greb and was looking to put Harry on the defensive.

I'm happy you can find a SINGLE fighter. We've been at this a week and I've yet to see a single quote from a fighter yet except the ones ive provided aying Greb wasnt dirty.

I don't consider clinching alone as dirty or Wlad a dirty fighter. I think Wlad was pretty much a clean fighter compared to the standards of other heavyweight champions.

Well can you dig up a single fighter complaining out about Wlad clinching too much AND being dirty? Wlad has plenty of film on him and his fights are fresh and not over 100 years old so that shouldn't be too hard to find. If you can do this than okay deal.

[JAB5239]

I don't consider clinching alone as dirty or Wlad a dirty fighter. I think Wlad was pretty much a clean fighter compared to the standards of other heavyweight champions.

Well can you dig up a single fighter complaining out about Wlad clinching too much AND being dirty? Wlad has plenty of film on him and his fights are fresh and not over 100 years old so that shouldn't be too hard to find. If you can do this than okay deal.

The difference is I can see Wlad with my own two eyes. I don't need to guess at a report even though thousands more say the opposite.

[Dr. Z]

The difference is I can see Wlad with my own two eyes. I don't need to guess at a report even though thousands more say the opposite.

That not what I am saying, to put your hat on for the moment show me 1 news papaer that calls Wlad dirty and one opponent complaining about him clinching?

I have provided a mountain of evidence on much harder to find man ( Greb ) who is not on film and hasn't fought for 100 years. You just don't accept the information I present.

[JAB5239]

That not what I am saying, to put your hat on for the moment show me 1 news papaer that calls Wlad dirty and one opponent complaining about him clinching?

I have provided a mountain of evidence on much harder to find man ( Greb ) who is not on film and hasn't fought for 100 years. You just don't accept the information I present.

You haven't provided a mountain of evidence, you've provided a mountain of here say from people who were not in the ring with him. You're trying to paint a picture of this dirty fighter when his opponents have said the opposite and his opponents corner ever said the fouls were unintentional.

I dont need anyone else opinion of Wlad, I can see for myself. If you want to stick with your narrative on Greb than you must agree Wlad is dirty, Lewis, Tyson, Ali, Frazier, Holmes and a whole bunch of other heavyweights. Because I can easily point out either intentional or unintentional fouls from every o e of them. Wlads just happen to be intentional. You're denying that?

[JAB5239]

Need I say more?

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[QueensburyRules]

Yes, he absolutely has to say it if you are going to use him to prove Greb was a dirty fighter. You can't just say he said it and provide no evidence of this. That would make you Queenie. You're better than that.

All fighters foul at times. And certain styles make fouls inevitable even when not intentional. A dirty fighter has the intention of fouling. That's the difference. Than there are instances of dirty fighting that seem less harmful but very intentional. Take Ali's holding behind the head, or Wlad draping himself like a coat over an opponent in the clinch. Both intentional and done on a regular basis, but in my opinion hardly the same as a Fritzie Zivic or Saddler butting and thumbing on a regular basis.

Boxing is a rough sport. I have no doubt Harry had his moments like 99% of others fighters. He may have had more given his darting, whirling style. But according to his peers, he was not the dirty fighter that has been exaggerated upon.

- - Hello, Kitty!!!

Boxing a rough sport, and Queenie pops U a new one ever round...

[JAB5239]

- - Hello, Kitty!!!

Boxing a rough sport, and Queenie pops U a new one ever round...

You're a good troll, I've give you that. But damn you're a crappy poster.

[Dr. Z]

You haven't provided a mountain of evidence, you've provided a mountain of here say from people who were not in the ring with him. You're trying to paint a picture of this dirty fighter when his opponents have said the opposite and his opponents corner ever said the fouls were unintentional.

You wont accept anything negative, not from the corners, the refs, the press, historians, his DQ, or the hall of fame saying he is dirty! You have to be right. All the information I provided is wrong in your mind. Again I don't write it.

Greb was dirty. I gave you an excellent historian to check out who specials in Pennsylvania based fighters. What is Greb part of your ancestry or something? Apologies if this is the case.

You not finding me and quotes on Wlad being dirty or clinching to often by his opponents either, as requested.

I'll give you or anyone interested his web site , and I'm done trying to convince you.

http://www.phillyboxinghistory.com/n...sson_chuck.htm