History as it unfolds. Wilder vs. Helenius - The next bullet.

[Willow The Wisp]

History buffs understand that every era has it's P4P leaders, and it's leaders at Heavyweight- The Alpha division, too.
We can view what makes up an "Era" any way we like. 5 years, 10 years, 4 of the top 10 spots turning over; whatever suits us.
In "this era" we have witnessed three lonstanding title holders who have accomplished some combination of historic victories or many defenses of their crown. These three are, of course; Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua. We all hold opinions regarding the overall quality and merit of each one. But we should all agree that each one has successfully navigated the waters in a time of giants populating the combat sport of the athletes confident enough to challenge themselves for the long pass of the multimillion dollar rewards.
Even the current UFC alpha-dog Francis Ngannou, a converted amateur boxer, reflects often on his regret in not challenging himself more in pursuit of bigger, richer and more historically significant aspirations in boxing. So it is clear that those who can manage a top 25 ranking in boxing have done something quite difficult and worthy of all of our respect. Deontay Wilder and the giant Viking Robert Helenius are two such athletes.
Armchair quarterback fans may take pleasure in formulating ideas about the myraid shortcomings of these two (or any two) combatants, and those critical musings will always range from accurate to absurd; but regardless of them, these are two of the best in the business in a world where perfection scarcely exists.
........And they are set to ****ing EXPLODE on each other tomorrow night in Brooklyn.

If Wilder blows him away, it's a big win over a big man, who along with Ingemar Johansson ranks among the best Scandinavian big men ever, and this would reiterate the danger that anyone on earth faces when going up against the human dynamite stick.
If, however, the long time fringe contender once thought of by boxing scribes as the next Klitschko can put it all together and catch Wilder on the decline, he can totally rewrite the script for how we rank the post Klitschko era heavyweights!!


What say you all???

[Ivich]

History buffs understand that every era has it's P4P leaders, and it's leaders at Heavyweight- The Alpha division, too.
We can view what makes up an "Era" any way we like. 5 years, 10 years, 4 of the top 10 spots turning over; whatever suits us.
In "this era" we have witnessed three lonstanding title holders who have accomplished some combination of historic victories or many defenses of their crown. These three are, of course; Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua. We all hold opinions regarding the overall quality and merit of each one. But we should all agree that each one has successfully navigated the waters in a time of giants populating the combat sport of the athletes confident enough to challenge themselves for the long pass of the multimillion dollar rewards.
Even the current UFC alpha-dog Francis Ngannou, a converted amateur boxer, reflects often on his regret in not challenging himself more in pursuit of bigger, richer and more historically significant aspirations in boxing. So it is clear that those who can manage a top 25 ranking in boxing have done something quite difficult and worthy of all of our respect. Deontay Wilder and the giant Viking Robert Helenius are two such athletes.
Armchair quarterback fans may take pleasure in formulating ideas about the myraid shortcomings of these two (or any two) combatants, and those critical musings will always range from accurate to absurd; but regardless of them, these are two of the best in the business in a world where perfection scarcely exists.
........And they are set to ****ing EXPLODE on each other tomorrow night in Brooklyn.

If Wilder blows him away, it's a big win over a big man, who along with Ingemar Johansson ranks among the best Scandinavian big men ever, and this would reiterate the danger that anyone on earth faces when going up against the human dynamite stick.
If, however, the long time fringe contender once thought of by boxing scribes as the next Klitschko can put it all together and catch Wilder on the decline, he can totally rewrite the script for how we rank the post Klitschko era heavyweights!!


What say you all???

Wilder has come in very light, Helenius heavy.

Helenius has had something of a rebirth with his two wins over face first Kownacki is he more focused now.or is he the same guy whom Duhaupas took out?

Wilder ko'd Duhaupas but he has had a trio of hard fights with Fury, is he still that guy?

Questions, the winner will be in the frame for a title shot, the loser relegated to gatekeeper status.

My pick is Wilder but an upset would not surprise me over much,this fight will at least tell us how much Wilder has left.

[Willow The Wisp]

Wilder has come in very light, Helenius heavy.

Helenius has had something of a rebirth with his two wins over face first Kownacki is he more focused now.or is he the same guy whom Duhaupas took out?

Wilder ko'd Duhaupas but he has had a trio of hard fights with Fury, is he still that guy?

Questions, the winner will be in the frame for a title shot, the loser relegated to gatekeeper status.

My pick is Wilder but an upset would not surprise me over much,this fight will at least tell us how much Wilder has left.

Well put. Its a right-sized test for Wilder. Not a soft touch by any means, but a man he should look impressive against if his plans to press on are to be validated. We are all getting the sense, I think, that we are in the back end now of the Fury/Wilder/Joshua era, with time growing shorter for that trio to do whatever it is that they were ever going to do in boxing. The Covid era.

[QueensburyRules]

Wilder has come in very light, Helenius heavy.

Helenius has had something of a rebirth with his two wins over face first Kownacki is he more focused now.or is he the same guy whom Duhaupas took out?

Wilder ko'd Duhaupas but he has had a trio of hard fights with Fury, is he still that guy?

Questions, the winner will be in the frame for a title shot, the loser relegated to gatekeeper status.

My pick is Wilder but an upset would not surprise me over much,this fight will at least tell us how much Wilder has left.

- - Deyonce couldn't KO TBA Duhaupas, his Uncle Al ref did.

Who wouldn't KO busted eye Deyonce who would've been stopped several rounds earlier had he not Uncle Al in his corner.

[Dr. Z]

History buffs understand that every era has it's P4P leaders, and it's leaders at Heavyweight- The Alpha division, too.
We can view what makes up an "Era" any way we like. 5 years, 10 years, 4 of the top 10 spots turning over; whatever suits us.
In "this era" we have witnessed three lonstanding title holders who have accomplished some combination of historic victories or many defenses of their crown. These three are, of course; Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua. We all hold opinions regarding the overall quality and merit of each one. But we should all agree that each one has successfully navigated the waters in a time of giants populating the combat sport of the athletes confident enough to challenge themselves for the long pass of the multimillion dollar rewards.
Even the current UFC alpha-dog Francis Ngannou, a converted amateur boxer, reflects often on his regret in not challenging himself more in pursuit of bigger, richer and more historically significant aspirations in boxing. So it is clear that those who can manage a top 25 ranking in boxing have done something quite difficult and worthy of all of our respect. Deontay Wilder and the giant Viking Robert Helenius are two such athletes.
Armchair quarterback fans may take pleasure in formulating ideas about the myraid shortcomings of these two (or any two) combatants, and those critical musings will always range from accurate to absurd; but regardless of them, these are two of the best in the business in a world where perfection scarcely exists.
........And they are set to ****ing EXPLODE on each other tomorrow night in Brooklyn.

If Wilder blows him away, it's a big win over a big man, who along with Ingemar Johansson ranks among the best Scandinavian big men ever, and this would reiterate the danger that anyone on earth faces when going up against the human dynamite stick.
If, however, the long time fringe contender once thought of by boxing scribes as the next Klitschko can put it all together and catch Wilder on the decline, he can totally rewrite the script for how we rank the post Klitschko era heavyweights!!


What say you all???

I Wilder if he wins he is still behind Fury and Usyk. Joshua is viewed by many as the 3rd best man. If looses to a mediocre fighter like Helenius ( who's 38 and will be39 in January ) well then there isn't much to talk about. I think Helenius knows he was brought in there and paid handsomely not to win. We'll see how the fights goes. Wilder's sudden shrinkage leaves me to believe he's off someting. I could be wrong. Did he pick the wrong cherry?

[QueensburyRules]

I Wilder if he wins he is still behind Fury and Usyk. Joshua is viewed by many as the 3rd best man. If looses to a mediocre fighter like Helenius ( who's 38 and will be39 in January ) well then there isn't much to talk about. I think Helenius knows he was brought in there and paid handsomely not to win. We'll see how the fights goes. Wilder's sudden shrinkage leaves me to believe he's off someting. I could be wrong. Did he pick the wrong cherry?

- - By cast of Fickle Fates AJ now behind Usyk whom he was busting up to a stoppage in the first fight before getting his eye popped to kill that ambition. I had him winning a close 2nd S/D, so both head and shoulders over the most obvious duckers since Tubby Lar ruled the fraud.

So in a battle between duckers, quackers, and slackers, who ducks whom and who beats whom in a round robin 3x3 for 9 fights total?

Lar vs Deyonce vs Blubber?

[Willie Pep 229]

Wilder has come in very light, Helenius heavy.

Helenius has had something of a rebirth with his two wins over face first Kownacki is he more focused now.or is he the same guy whom Duhaupas took out?

Wilder ko'd Duhaupas but he has had a trio of hard fights with Fury, is he still that guy?

Questions, the winner will be in the frame for a title shot, the loser relegated to gatekeeper status.

My pick is Wilder but an upset would not surprise me over much,this fight will at least tell us how much Wilder has left.

We have kind of slipped into a NSB topic --> but this is (IMO) do or die for Wilder. He loses again he gets relegated to the under card and they drop a zero from his paycheck.

I think they should sell him as still being a (#1) contender on someone's list and force an AJ fight under the guise that he is the proper road to Fury.

Or push for a shot at Usyk under the guise that Usyk has to prove he deserves a shot at Fury.

Both are bogus arguments I am aware, but I think Wilder is actually done and they should look for one final big payday and get him out of the game. I don't think Wilder will be able to fight his way back (with multiple fights) to actually ever be truely in the (#1) position again.

They should just claim it based on the Fury trilogy and grab for one last big one with AJ.

[GhostofDempsey]

Helenius is a B-level HW, and Wilder has built his resume on a steady diet of B-level opposition. I think his big right hand saves the day once it finally finds a home on Helenius’ chin a time or two. Wilder is a one-trick pony with a lethal right hand and a distinct height reach advance over most of his opponents. This will be a win that gets him back in contention, but for who? Fury will always have his number and no one wants to see that again. AJ doesn’t hold a title and Usyk is looking to unify. That leaves Fat Andy and Joyce. I suspect Wilder will set his sites on a Ruiz fight in early ‘23.

[Dr. Z]

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- - By cast of Fickle Fates AJ now behind Usyk whom he was busting up to a stoppage in the first fight before getting his eye popped to kill that ambition. I had him winning a close 2nd S/D, so both head and shoulders over the most obvious duckers since Tubby Lar ruled the fraud.

So in a battle between duckers, quackers, and slackers, who ducks whom and who beats whom in a round robin 3x3 for 9 fights total?

Lar vs Deyonce vs Blubber?

I think Helenius knows he was brought in there and paid handsomely not to win. We'll see how the fights goes. Wilder's sudden shrinkage leaves me to believe he's off someting. I could be wrong. Did he pick the wrong cherry?

Wilder landed just three punches the entire fight and the KO was fishy as he landed on punch, not a hard one on his back foot.