1905 JJ Jeffries vs JJohnson?

[QueensburyRules]

Jeffries put no money on the bar that is total fiction.
Why would Johnson consent to fight Jeffries in a cellar for nothing?
He wanted him in a ring for the title and a massive pay day and he had to wait for 5 years before it happened.
Greggains was also the promoter for the fight so he wanted all action fighters and preferably white ones..

Johnson finished the fight unmarked Hart was a mess.
Not being able to stop a fighter and him walking through your punches doesn't mean he deserved the decision.
Punches landed score points,they don't have to be power punches and aggression should only score points if it is effective aggression.

If coming forward scores points Kambosos would be the new champion instead of Devin Haney still retaining his crown!
George Siler the premier referee of that era stated Greggains gave ,"an exceedingly strange decision".

- - $500 in gold more than JJohnson ever made for a bout in that time frame.

U no scoring expert to be sure. 1905 fighters were expected to fight and JJ wouldn't such that he was threatened with DQ. In short, JJ stunk like U stink today.



"Marvin Hart was awarded the decision over Jack Johnson in a twenty-round contest last night that went the limit, but he came far from demonstrating that he is qualified to meet Jim Jeffries. Hart was game and kept boring into the big colored man all through the fight. Johnson's much-vaunted cleverness did not count for much. While he was able to hit Hart frequently, his blows did not seem to damage the white man from Kentucky. The sympathies of the large crowd were openly with Hart, who was at the short end in the betting, and every lead he made at Johnson, whether he landed or not, was greeted with cheers. Hart managed to deal the only effective blow in the eleventh round, when he landed a right swing on Johnson's jaw that staggered the black man and nearly knocked him over. Referee Greggains stated that he gave the decision to Hart, because all through the fight Hart did all the forcing and leading. According to Greggains, if Hart had not pursued his tactics there would have been no fight, as Johnson merely contented himself with countering. Hart's face was battered to a pulp, but Johnson's blows did not seem to have much sting to them. Johnson did a great deal of uppercutting, but Hart covered up and the blows did not seem to hurt him." (Washington Post)

In short, JJ the anti Joe Gans who could be just as clever, but knew to fight.

[Ivich]

- - $500 in gold more than JJohnson ever made for a bout in that time frame.

U no scoring expert to be sure. 1905 fighters were expected to fight and JJ wouldn't such that he was threatened with DQ. In short, JJ stunk like U stink today.



"Marvin Hart was awarded the decision over Jack Johnson in a twenty-round contest last night that went the limit, but he came far from demonstrating that he is qualified to meet Jim Jeffries. Hart was game and kept boring into the big colored man all through the fight. Johnson's much-vaunted cleverness did not count for much. While he was able to hit Hart frequently, his blows did not seem to damage the white man from Kentucky. The sympathies of the large crowd were openly with Hart, who was at the short end in the betting, and every lead he made at Johnson, whether he landed or not, was greeted with cheers. Hart managed to deal the only effective blow in the eleventh round, when he landed a right swing on Johnson's jaw that staggered the black man and nearly knocked him over. Referee Greggains stated that he gave the decision to Hart, because all through the fight Hart did all the forcing and leading. According to Greggains, if Hart had not pursued his tactics there would have been no fight, as Johnson merely contented himself with countering. Hart's face was battered to a pulp, but Johnson's blows did not seem to have much sting to them. Johnson did a great deal of uppercutting, but Hart covered up and the blows did not seem to hurt him." (Washington Post)

In short, JJ the anti Joe Gans who could be just as clever, but knew to fight.

Jeffries offered nothing to Johnson
and that is a fact,later Jeffries apologised for his action.saying it was unworthy of him.

I doubt you even know when this occurred or the circumstances of it do you?
It's just a chance for you to disparage Johnson again, you and the other 2 stooges are like flies around **** and just as unpleasant and unwelcome.

Can't you get yourself a life you sad clown?

[Dr. Z]

Jeffries offered nothing to Johnson

Nothing? He offered him a private fight " because he could not draw files " Johnson wisely tucked tail and no fight happened! Had Johnson been man enough to accept, at least he could have lied to the press about the results, which might have lead to a match with a prime Jim Jeffries. As we know a prime Hart was enough!

[QueensburyRules]

Jeffries offered nothing to Johnson
and that is a fact,later Jeffries apologised for his action.saying it was unworthy of him.

I doubt you even know when this occurred or the circumstances of it do you?
It's just a chance for you to disparage Johnson again, you and the other 2 stooges are like flies around **** and just as unpleasant and unwelcome.

Can't you get yourself a life you sad clown?

- - So, U sayin' Jeff offered him nothing for a cellar fight and then apologized for JJ barging in to interrupt his hanging out drinking with the boys?

It's like what emotional grade U in?

5x Double Eagles...read it and weep for thee...

[Ivich]

- - So, U sayin' Jeff offered him nothing for a cellar fight and then apologized for JJ barging in to interrupt his hanging out drinking with the boys?

It's like what emotional grade U in?

5x Double Eagles...read it and weep for thee...

You don't even know when this happened do you.
Do you think Jeffries just happened to have that money on him in case Johnson came by and asked for a title shot?

Since you believe Johnson had his corner men creep under the Sydney ring and shout for the fight with Burns to be stopped.

The fight Johnson was winning by a brutal beat down.

The fight Johnson was prolonging because he was paying Burns back for all the racial insults he had made to him.

And that the BBC edited the time delay during the incident of the cut glove with Ali and Cooper, Making the delay shorter thereby working against the British fighter and boosting the American, you probably do!

Have you ever been to a world title fight?
Have you any idea how much noise is generated during such a fight?

It is sometimes so thunderous even the referee and the fighters do not always hear the bell"
Yet the police outside the ring would hear an anonymous voice under the ring shouting for the fight to be stopped?

Not only hear it but obey it without question ?

Have you the slightest idea what an absolutely gullible half wit this makes you?

[JAB5239]

You don't even know when this happened do you.
Do you think Jeffries just happened to have that money on him in case Johnson came by and asked for a title shot?

Since you believe Johnson had his corner men creep under the Sydney ring and shout for the fight with Burns to be stopped.

The fight Johnson was winning by a brutal beat down.

The fight Johnson was prolonging because he was paying Burns back for all the racial insults he had made to him.

And that the BBC edited the time delay during the incident of the cut glove with Ali and Cooper, Making the delay shorter thereby working against the British fighter and boosting the American, you probably do!

Have you ever been to a world title fight?
Have you any idea how much noise is generated during such a fight?

It is sometimes so thunderous even the referee and the fighters do not always hear the bell"
Yet the police outside the ring would hear an anonymous voice under the ring shouting for the fight to be stopped?

Not only hear it but obey it without question ?

Have you the slightest idea what an absolutely gullible half wit this makes you?

..........

[travestyny]

- - Nah, as I recall you put em on ignore and then moaned about why they weren't responding.

You're a lying bltch as usual.

No matter, 1905 was the time for JJohnson to make a statement, and he failed, first vs Hart in another stinker mashup, and then vs improving Kid Jeannette.

He coulda had Jeff in that bar for the 5x $100 gold pieces Jeff slapped on the bar if he won their basement bare knucks fight, but his manhood failed him just like it did against Hart when he could only grab and stink.

All he had to do is fight Hart and whoop him like a man that the ref kept trying to guide him into doing.

To wit:

"Marvin Hart was awarded the decision over Jack Johnson in a twenty-round contest last night that went the limit, but he came far from demonstrating that he is qualified to meet Jim Jeffries. Hart was game and kept boring into the big colored man all through the fight. Johnson's much-vaunted cleverness did not count for much. While he was able to hit Hart frequently, his blows did not seem to damage the white man from Kentucky. The sympathies of the large crowd were openly with Hart, who was at the short end in the betting, and every lead he made at Johnson, whether he landed or not, was greeted with cheers. Hart managed to deal the only effective blow in the eleventh round, when he landed a right swing on Johnson's jaw that staggered the black man and nearly knocked him over. Referee Greggains stated that he gave the decision to Hart, because all through the fight Hart did all the forcing and leading. According to Greggains, if Hart had not pursued his tactics there would have been no fight, as Johnson merely contented himself with countering. Hart's face was battered to a pulp, but Johnson's blows did not seem to have much sting to them. Johnson did a great deal of uppercutting, but Hart covered up and the blows did not seem to hurt him." (Washington Post)

You wrote all of that for nothing. Why have Jeff in a bar when he could smack him around in the ring and change his life with the money the title brings. You're an imbecile. Tell your caretaker to lock away the bottle.

While you're at it, I suggest you go do some more research about the Johnson Hart Match. Robbery was the word....because everyone knew Jeff wasn't going to fight Johnson.

[Ivich]

You're a lying bltch as usual.




You wrote all of that for nothing. Why have Jeff in a bar when he could smack him around in the ring and change his life with the money the title brings. You're an imbecile. Tell your caretaker to lock away the bottle.

While you're at it, I suggest you go do some more research about the Johnson Hart Match. Robbery was the word....because everyone knew Jeff wasn't going to fight Johnson.

How many times have you destroyed this fool with primary sourced facts?
If he had any sense of shame he would disappear.

As it is we know he will blithely carry on, repeating the same garbage day after day,totally ignoring the presented facts and acting as though he hasn't been humiliatingly schooled yet again!

He is just a compulsive attention seeker,as long as his sewage is being posted he is happy.

The fact that nobody gives him the slightest credibility or respect is unimportant to him,just as long as he is receiving the attention he craves.

That it's all negative attention is unimportant ,it's attention, and that's sufficient validation for him.

What a sad, warped piece of work he is.

[travestyny]

How many times have you destroyed this fool with primary sourced facts?
If he had any sense of shame he would disappear.

As it is we know he will blithely carry on, repeating the same garbage day after day,totally ignoring the presented facts and acting as though he hasn't been humiliatingly schooled yet again!

He is just a compulsive attention seeker,as long as his sewage is being posted he is happy.

The fact that nobody gives him the slightest credibility or respect is unimportant to him,just as long as he is receiving the attention he craves.

That it's all negative attention is unimportant ,it's attention, and that's sufficient validation for him.

What a sad, warped piece of work he is.

Agreed. Pretty sure that I'll be welcoming him back into my ignore bin. This time permanently.

[QueensburyRules]

How many times have you destroyed this fool with primary sourced facts?
If he had any sense of shame he would disappear.

As it is we know he will blithely carry on, repeating the same garbage day after day,totally ignoring the presented facts and acting as though he hasn't been humiliatingly schooled yet again!

He is just a compulsive attention seeker,as long as his sewage is being posted he is happy.

The fact that nobody gives him the slightest credibility or respect is unimportant to him,just as long as he is receiving the attention he craves.

That it's all negative attention is unimportant ,it's attention, and that's sufficient validation for him.

What a sad, warped piece of work he is.

- - U inner ape hopping up and down, chest beating, screaming about what U know not exactly we expect out of U.

Weensy article mentions Jack Munroe who in his debut drew vs Hank Griffin which is the best JJohnson ever did vs Hank, whereas Jeff KOed Hank, and in his last fight KOs Munroe in 2 rds.

JJohnson fights Munroe now overweight a year later and can only manage another dreary 6rd newspaper decision, the same year he was threatened with a DQ against Hart if he didn't start fighting, and lost to him any away and later to the ascending Jeannette, the same year Jeff retired satisfied JJohnson about as much threat as a bag of popcorn.

I in my collegiate days had a troop of monkeys wif my housemates, and watching Desmond as the sole male beat his chest while jumping up and down was as funny as U.

Them was good times to be sure that even monkeys got to enjoy.