1905 JJ Jeffries vs JJohnson?

[travestyny]

Foreman had no breakdown. Did Jeffries?Thats what Im attempting to find out,he was described as crying with tears rolling down his face in the dressing room as he laced up his boots.


If anyone does not want to know what ;

Jack Root
Jack Johnson
Tex Rickard
Charles Naughton
Bob Fitzsimmons.
Jim Corbett
Joe Choynski
Hugh McIntosh

And others had to say about it,the remedy is in their hands,

DONT READ MY POSTS!

I'm not saying he had a mental collapse.some of them said it!

If that makes me a hater in some ones eyes , for posting these quotes then I'm a hater, and I'm very comfortable with my M O on this.

Here's one from Corbett

"But we knew he was in good physical condition up until three days before the fight. What happened to him I can't describe any more than to say he went into a state of complete nervous collapse."

[Dr. Z]

He is a congenital liar who was notorious for his Johnson hatred on Classic,It seems like he has found two more haters to pal up with.

Jack Johnson is the only reason he visits boxing forums,to unload his poison on the man.

There is something eerily unhealthy about it.It's a phobic sickness.after interacting with him about his obsession you feel a little unclean.

He has told so many lies over the years I think he really believes them by now.

Says you, You lie, your dishonest and a free mason nut. I can see why you like Johnson. I am still posting on that board by they way, you do not. In fact I have friends there and some PM's about you! Keep lying Tony. Er McVey, or it is Totato62? You had so many alts I lose track. And this is but one forum. You said you posted elsewhere. Where? Prove it.

[GhostofDempsey]

Foreman had an experience similar to Robinson,heat prostration, and extreme dehydration. Both became incoherent and disorientated.
No mental breakdown in either case.
And both have absolutely no relevance to Jeffries.

Did Robinson run out of his locker room naked saying he saw Jesus? I’ve been dehydrated and had heat exhaustion, I never did either of those things.

[Ivich]

Rather than engage directly with liars I'll add to my posts.
I actually think its important and worthwhile to try and discover if Jeffries suffered a mental collapse before he enter the ring with Johnson..

" This ****** is going to give me the toughest fight I ever had.

He won't lead and I will have to carry the fight to him,and do all the breaking away in the clinches." Jim Jeffries San Francisco Evening Post July 27th 1910.
" JimJeffries

When Jeffries entered the ring, he was plainly very nervous.When he stood up to be introduced his knees shook.
The reason was plain.Jeffries knew he had not come back.

Johnson told me he could beat Jeffries on the latter's best day;now I believe it."
" The white champion was,outclassed in speed ,strength ,and hitting ability,and the hopes of his admirers were speedily dashed when they observed

that in the clinches the negro was stronger".

Hugh McIntosh Boxing August 13th 1910

" Langford could not make a show with Johnson,he's too small. Then too two black men fighting would not draw a crowd.

Johnson told me he would be willing to meet Langford,but he knew a fight between blacks would not make any money."
July 7th 1910.
"When they clinched in the 8th round Jack said I've got your measure Mr Jeffries,

and I am going to put ypu out anytime I want to." George Kid Cotton.

.Johnson commended Jeffries for his gameness in several interviews

"The heat did not beat me God did." A delirious Ray Robinson. " Pound For Pound ," by Herb Boyd and Ray Robinson11

There are some real ignoramuses here.lol!

[QueensburyRules]

"The heat did not beat me God did." A delirious Ray Robinson. " Pound For Pound ," by Herb Boyd and Ray Robinson11

There are some real ignoramuses here.lol!

- - They ain't ******ly quoting SRRobinson in a 1905 Jeffries vs Johnson fight.

How many x U been sectioned off in UK?

[Ivich]

"The heat did not beat me God did." A delirious Ray Robinson. " Pound For Pound ," by Herb Boyd and Ray Robinson11

There are some real ignoramuses here.lol!

"Did Robinson run out of his locker room naked saying he saw Jesus? I’ve been dehydrated and had heat exhaustion, I never did either of those things."

Question answered.

[Dr. Z]

Ivich says

"Did Robinson run out of his locker room naked saying he saw Jesus? I’ve been dehydrated and had heat exhaustion, I never did either of those things."

Question answered.

Please explain Jeffries fighting Hank Griffin, a black man while champion in 1901. If Hank knocked him out, he's the next lineal champion! But as it was Jeffries floored him twice and Griffin did nothing but survive the fight. The very same Griffin beat Jack Johnson one time over 20 rounds and drew with him twice! Johnson has lots of 3,4, and 6 rounders on his resume. He even kept his colored title while low blowing Jeanette in two rounds in a DQ loss! Explain the above FACTS. Calling you out. Do not attempt to spin things. Answer the question, Tony.

And I still laughing directly in your face in the power thread. Johnson hit harder than Bowe you say?

Bumped for you to answer. And Jeffries did mention Johnson name as a possible opponents after he fought Munore to the press in 1904! It is there to read. You have read it before. Remember? But as we know Marvin Hart beat Johnson in 1905. Jeffries said he would fight Hart if the was any interest. There wasn't so he retired. Too soon I say. He was in his prime and would have Ko'd Joshnon at that point in time.

[travestyny]

Please explain Jeffries fighting Hank Griffin, a black man while champion in 1901. If Hank knocked him out, he's the next lineal champion! But as it was Jeffries floored him twice and Griffin did nothing but survive the fight. The very same Griffin beat Jack Johnson one time over 20 rounds and drew with him twice! .

This should help you come to an answer.

Remember that time in a place far away when you claimed the press called Griffin a "famine survivor" vs. Johnson?
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But in fact, Ivich corrected you on this, didn't he? It wasn't that version of Griffin that the press called a "famine sufferer." Want to take a guess at who was his opponent when the press made that statement? I'll give you a hint. It was someone who outweighed him by around 40lbs.

Let's see if you can do your own research this time. If not, I'll gladly post it up for you. Let me know if you need assistance.

[Dr. Z]

This should help you come to an answer.

Remember that time in a place far away when you claimed the press called Griffin a "famine survivor" vs. Johnson?
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But in fact, Ivich corrected you on this, didn't he? It wasn't that version of Griffin that the press called a "famine sufferer." Want to take a guess at who was his opponent when the press made that statement? I'll give you a hint. It was someone who outweighed him by around 40lbs.

Let's see if you can do your own research this time. If not, I'll gladly post it up for you. Let me know if you need assistance.

The same year 1901, Griffin beat Jack Johnson! A " famine survivor " Care to explain that one to me? Yet Jeffries toyed with the same man!

You obviously posted on ESB, might I ask who you were/are? I will be waiting here until you explain that to me which I know you won't. Ta ta Travesty You remain a joke. Time to man up. A challenge was issued to you. My research on the topic is done. You still have much to learn.

[Ivich]

You can charge me with anything you like. I didn't omit anything. It's up to YOU to do your own research. You haven't posted anything at all.

Still waiting for your proof that Jeffries offered Johnson a shot at the title. Are YOU going to post it up, or are you going to say that someone else should do it for you? I back up everything I say. What about you?

You didn't answer anything clearly. You ran away. Culture has nothing to do with the question I asked you. I asked if the schools themselves were the same quality, and you began talking about the students. What the actual fvvck would 5th graders have to do with the quality of the books, the technology, the teachers, the staff, etc.? Absolutely nothing. That's why you ducked the question and ran off.

And no, you said not one thing about CRT. You can't even define it, much less show how it is "junk." The information I posted about it that proves it is a sound theory, you never had any comeback for it because they are facts. You can't prove that redlining never existed. You haven't been able to disprove any of the studies I posted. Nothing. So I don't know why you keep bringing it back up except to show that you feel some kind of way about how you got rag dolled on the topic. Whenever you want another shot at it, I'm here. And you know I don't run off like a bltch like you do. So feel free to let me know and I'll embarrass you on the subject for a third time.



You giving me quotations about what others thought about Jeffries. I can do the same. Langford said he was the same old Jeffries or something to that effect. What does that mean? Nothing. Do I personally think he was the prime Jeffries. No, I don't. Do I think he could have beat Johnson if he was in his prime? Well like I said, I'd leave that up to Jeffries, and he answered the question in detail. If you want to argue with Jeffries opinion, then resurrect him and tell him that he's wrong about himself.

Johnson wasn't prime vs. Klon***e or Choynski. You don't think we see thorugh your bltch ways? If you want to hold those losses against him, then anything goes and you have to face that enormous asswhoopin he gave your boy. He might as well have thrown him over his lap and pulled out a paddle. That was an old fashion down south asswhoopin he gave him. Deal with it.

Langford must have been impressed by Jeffries in training ,because he dropped a bundle of cash betting on him!