1905 JJ Jeffries vs JJohnson?

[travestyny]

The same year 1901, Griffin beat Jack Johnson! A " famine survivor " Care to explain that one to me? Yet Jeffries toyed with the same man!

You obviously posted on ESB, might I ask who you were/are? I will be waiting here until you explain that to me which I know you won't. Ta ta Travesty You remain a joke. Time to man up. A challenge was issued to you. My research on the topic is done. You still have much to learn.

Sure, I can explain it to you. I didn't see any reports of Griffin looking like a famine sufferer in that fight. Jack Johnson was probably a similar weight as well, around 180-185.

I didn't post on that site. I don't even know what the site's name is. But I know that it's where a lot of you clowns go to get your information, like GhostofForgery. He made the mistake of once pulling something from that website that had very different dates than what he thought, due to the poster there being either an idiot or a deceitful person, or both. Don't know which. It was probably you, though I think the name was something with Dempsey in it, which means it could have even been his own alt there. Who knows.

[QueensburyRules]

Sure, I can explain it to you. I didn't see any reports of Griffin looking like a famine sufferer in that fight. Jack Johnson was probably a similar weight as well, around 180-185.

I didn't post on that site. I don't even know what the site's name is. But I know that it's where a lot of you clowns go to get your information, like GhostofForgery. He made the mistake of once pulling something from that website that had very different dates than what he thought, due to the poster there being either an idiot or a deceitful person, or both. Don't know which. It was probably you, though I think the name was something with Dempsey in it, which means it could have even been his own alt there. Who knows.

- - How's about Montell Griffin vs JJohnson?

How many folks we got depopulating that nefarious website famous for being shut down it was so poisonous?

[Ivich]

This should help you come to an answer.

Remember that time in a place far away when you claimed the press called Griffin a "famine survivor" vs. Johnson? mjoxfk.png




But in fact, Ivich corrected you on this, didn't he? It wasn't that version of Griffin that the press called a "famine sufferer." Want to take a guess at who was his opponent when the press made that statement? I'll give you a hint. It was someone who outweighed him by around 40lbs.

Let's see if you can do your own research this time. If not, I'll gladly post it up for you. Let me know if you need assistance.

Cyber Zone
Sep 17 Hank Griffin Los Angeles, Ca EX 4
It was a 4 round exhibition not a fight , with Griffin staying the distance to claim a $100 forfeit
Well documented.

Mind you Dr Zenophobic awarded GunBoat Smith a tko over Johnson in an exhibition!

So who knows how these loonies interpret things?

[travestyny]

Cyber Zone
Sep 17 Hank Griffin Los Angeles, Ca EX 4
It was a 4 round exhibition not a fight , with Griffin staying the distance to claim a $100 forfeit
Well documented.

Mind you Dr Zenophobic awarded GunBoat Smith a tko over Johnson in an exhibition!

So who knows how these loonies interpret things?

lol. Great point!

[QueensburyRules]

Cyber Zone
Sep 17 Hank Griffin Los Angeles, Ca EX 4
It was a 4 round exhibition not a fight , with Griffin staying the distance to claim a $100 forfeit
Well documented.

Mind you Dr Zenophobic awarded GunBoat Smith a tko over Johnson in an exhibition!

So who knows how these loonies interpret things?

- - The point being had Griffin KOed Jeff, well, apparently that BB rattlin' in U numbskull can't understand that Griffin could easly claim the lineal belt, which face it, died with Jeff retirement for 6 years, meaning JJohnson was never champ until he fought someone worthy enough and won such that relevant media of the day could call him champ.

There were no boxing commissions or orgs back then. The champ was the peoples champ starting with Sully and ending with Jeff.

[Dr. Z]

lol. Great point!

It was paid, and Johnson himself had quite a few 3 or 4 round fights!

[Ivich]

lol. Great point!

The title would not have changed hands.It was never recognized as a title fight,don't these clowns ever do any research?

"Griffin went down from a push in the first round and was knocked down twice by clean punches in the second. From then on he was in survival mode to claim the $100 forfeit. One report, prior to the start of the bout, described Griffin looking like a "famine sufferer". Attendance: 5, 000" Box Rec

How many 3/4 round exhibitions did Johnson have defending his title?

NB Johnson's 6 rounder with O Brien was not an exhibition it was a NWS fight.

If Champ Jim Jeffries had been ko'd by any of the lumpkins he had exhibitions with the title would NOT have changed hands.

Ditto.Fitzsimmons.Louis, Ali,Foreman , and any other ****ing champion in the same circumstances!

A world champion cannot lose his title in an exhibition!

Obviously the Stooges can't tell the difference! lol


Knowing Jeffries oft stated aversion to defending his title against a black man, does any objective, logical poster [not the 3 Stooges] seriously believe an out of shape Jeffries would have put his title on the line against a black man in a 4 round fight for pea -nuts?

Desperate or what?

[Willie Pep 229]

- - The point being had Griffin KOed Jeff, well, apparently that BB rattlin' in U numbskull can't understand that Griffin could easly claim the lineal belt, which face it, died with Jeff retirement for 6 years, meaning JJohnson was never champ until he fought someone worthy enough and won such that relevant media of the day could call him champ.

There were no boxing commissions or orgs back then. The champ was the peoples champ starting with Sully and ending with Jeff.

Na, got to disagree --> Tommy Burns battled his way into the prople's heart --> he was the champion. --> Don't think of 'lineal' like a math geek, but instead as the bearer of the torch.

Only after Burns lost the title did the White Supremacists find it convenient to deny Burns and call on Jeffries to reclaim the poistion of supremacy.

IMO had Jeffries beaten JJ they (the WS) would have created a mental universe for themselves where Jack Johnson was never champion.

We today would be arguing whether both Burns and JJ were ever actually champions (much like we give Hart the go around.)

[Willie Pep 229]

Because Boxrec denotes a fight as a NWS fight only tells us that a newspaper guy felt he had an opinion he wanted to share.

What if we caught up to the article Boxrec used to draw its conclusion and then discovered the article says something to the effect --> "O'Brien had the better of Johnson in last night's exhibition."

What then does the fight become?

E.g. The Langford-Ketchel go gets tossed back and forth depending on who is speaking. It was sold to the fans as a fight, but the fighters may not both been, all in.

To be safe we need the read each article Boxrec used to makes it decision and decide what was a fight and what was an exhibition. Then still not be sure.

Most are obvious but some, especially during the color line period, we're going to get twisted around by the newspapers.

The poster for Sullivan-Corbett actually read "A Boxing Exhibition to the Finish." --> It was about getting around a Louisiana's anti prize fight law --> Boxing legal, fighting not.

So what they did was create a respectable fig leaf for the authorities and calded it an exhibition. LOL An exhibition where the fighters got to exhibit their boxing skills until one of them was unconscious.

One today doesn't know if a six round fight was a newspaper fight or an exhibition? Some are obvious some are nuanced.

IMO Griffith stops Jeffries in under six he would have had the title --> But Griffith would never have gotten to leave town with the belt. There would have been and immediate rematch for 20 rounds or more.

** I can envision a scenario where Griffith would have actually been detained by the local sheriff. Funny in its absurdity but sad.

[QueensburyRules]

Na, got to disagree --> Tommy Burns battled his way into the prople's heart --> he was the champion. --> Don't think of 'lineal' like a math geek, but instead as the bearer of the torch.

Only after Burns lost the title did the White Supremacists find it convenient to deny Burns and call on Jeffries to reclaim the poistion of supremacy.

IMO had Jeffries beaten JJ they (the WS) would have created a mental universe for themselves where Jack Johnson was never champion.

We today would be arguing whether both Burns and JJ were ever actually champions (much like we give Hart the go around.)

- - Please, he had Squires as his traveling KOed opponent no different than an Organ Grinder's Monkey.

Dunno if you remember Organ Grinders, but I musta caught the tail end of that arcane entertainment, and that monkey looked about as sad a monkey as could be had having to do the same damned thing over and over until he couldn't hold his meager rations down.