Gunboat Smith, a raw novice in 1909 put Jack Johnson down. Jack's manage halts the action.

[Ivich]

Just admit you were wrong and move on, no need for endless paragraphs of schizophrenic deflection. On this thread, Dr. Z posted an article that used a deceptive headline, you said Dr. Z is claiming he was KO’d, that’s not what he said, all he did was post an article that used a sensational headline to sell papers. Something I have talked about on here on several occasions. Look at you now, all hysterical using all caps and exclamation points to shout more lies and spout more hyperbole.

Sparring sessions back then could and were often grueling, as intense as a fight. Let’s not pretend Smith snuck in a haymaker while Johnson was there just to dance and pitty-pat for 4 rounds. Dempsey’s sparring sessions were notoriously brutal, as were Greb’s, Johnson’s, and just about all top fighters of the day. Johnson was especially harsh on Cotton when they sparred. Take your L like a big boy and stop all this crying.

DR Z has many times in the past said Smith tko'd Johnson I know you and you dont so stop talking about a subject on which you are entirely ingnorant! It just makes you seem even more ****** that you are.
It isn't a deceptive headline ,it's a fake one and DRZ knows it to be so,just as he knows Smith did not tko Johnson,but you keep defending that lying POS.
Johnson was easy on his sparring partners provided they did not take liberties, any book will confirm that.
He was Cotton's mentor and boosted him to the press at every opportunity.
Greb disliked sparring, he got in shape by regular fighting.
Dempsey was brutal to his spar mates ,you got one out of three right congratulations!

[Ivich]

The article itself makes it clear it was not a knockout. So what really is the point of even mentioning a knockout?

Sure it's a sensationalized headline, but the meat of it reveals it to be as such. It even quotes Smith directly as saying he didn't knock Johnson out.

Pollacks book states clearly that Johnson went 4 rds with Smith DRZ has many times claimed the spar was stopped and Johnson rescued by his manager for atko because he was knocked senseless he repeated this so often on the Classic Boxing Forum that the knowledgeable posters called him out on it naming him as the liar he is.
He is still spreading this lie here describing a knockdown in a spar as a tko .After the 4 rds with Smith Johnson went a further 10 rds with 5 other sparring partners ,that puts the incident in its proper perspective .

[GhostofDempsey]

My questions are ones you cannot bring yourself to answer. Because you are a little man, a small man with a small brain and minuscule testicles that shrivel up inside you when it comes to stepping up to the plate.
The only irrelevance here is YOU the guy with the empty NUT SACK,now run along and lick DR Z's Arse for him.

You can’t stay on topic, it must be some form of mental disorder. Your childish jabs don’t phase me, now admit you were wrong.

[Ivich]

You can’t stay on topic, it must be some form of mental disorder. Your childish jabs don’t phase me, now admit you were wrong.

Now how many things have I challenged you on and you've run away ? Its hard to keep track you and Queensbury Fool post such similar tripe I get you two mixed up.

[GhostofDempsey]

DR Z has many times in the past said Smith tko'd Johnson I know you and you dont so stop talking about a subject on which you are entirely ingnorant! It just makes you seem even more ****** that you are.

Johnson was easy on his sparring partners provided they did not take liberties, any book will confirm that.
He was Cotton's mentor and boosted him to the press at every opportunity.
Greb disliked sparring, he got in shape by regular fighting.
Dempsey was brutal to his spar mates ,you got one out of three right congratulations! Mr Gutless.

Wrong again, Johnson was not easy on his sparring partners, in fact, during public workouts he enjoyed humiliating them as he did to Cotton while he was still a novice. You can read all about it in “The Sundowners”. Admitting you are wrong is a virtue, dig deep and maybe you just might have it in you, but I doubt it.

[GhostofDempsey]

Pollacks book states clearly that Johnson went 4 rds with Smith DRZ has many times claimed the spar was stopped and Johnson rescued by his manager for atko because he was knocked senseless he repeated this so often on the Classic Boxing Forum that the knowledgeable posters called him out on it naming him as the liar he is.
He is still spreading this lie here describing a knockdown in a spar as a tko .After the 4 rds with Smith Johnson went a further 10 rds with 5 other sparring partners ,that puts the incident in its proper perspective .

Is Pollack aware you have an unhealthy infatuation with him? I hope you aren’t stalking that poor man in real life. All I see on this thread is an article that had an incorrect, sensationalized title, which is all Dr. Z posted. He didn’t make any other claims in this thread. You on the other hand are unglued and hysterical, as usual.

[Ivich]

Is Pollack aware you have an unhealthy infatuation with him? I hope you aren’t stalking that poor man in real life. All I see on this thread is an article that had an incorrect, sensationalized title, which is all Dr. Z posted. He didn’t make any other claims in this thread. You on the other hand are unglued and hysterical, as usual.

He's made the claim that Smith knocked Johnson senseless
and tkod him many, many times.If you want proof check out his posts on the Classic forum.

Adam Pollack is a fine biographer you should get his 1st Vol on Jack Dempsey.

Now is there anything else? Like perhaps you making a thread that doesn't consist of trashing Johnson ? Or how about one called "The Questions I Ducked Answering? That would be a long one! LOL

[Ivich]

Wrong again, Johnson was not easy on his sparring partners, in fact, during public workouts he enjoyed humiliating them as he did to Cotton while he was still a novice. You can read all about it in “The Sundowners”. Admitting you are wrong is a virtue, dig deep and maybe you just might have it in you, but I doubt it.

George Kid Cotton the guy you say Johnson ducked.
Cotton 's career resume is 9-13-1 and he was ko'd 10 times in those 13 defeats.
Yes, I bet Johnson was terrified of him! lol
You're absurd ,do you know that?

[GhostofDempsey]

He's made the claim that Smith knocked Johnson senseless
and tkod him many, many times.If you want proof check out his posts on the Classic forum.

Adam Pollack is a fine biographer you should get his 1st Vol on Jack Dempsey.

Now is there anything else? Like perhaps you making a thread that doesn't consist of trashing Johnson ? Or how about one called "The Questions I Ducked Answering? That would be a long one! LOL

I have Pollack’s Dempsey book, waiting on Volume II.

This topic at hand is this thread. Not all the other threads or topics you argued with Dr. Z. In this specific thread you are wrong and still cannot bring yourself to admit it. Petty.

[GhostofDempsey]

George Kid Cotton the guy you say Johnson ducked.
Cotton 's career resume is 9-13-1 and he was ko'd 10 times in those 13 defeats.
Yes, I bet Johnson was terrified of him! lol
You're absurd ,do you know that?

I again showed you up and now you are again deflecting. When Cotton was still a novice and serving as Johnson’s sparring partner, Jack would punish him, especially in front of the press and during public workouts. It’s documented.