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[Willie Pep 229]

The question was .
Why would the BBC splice the film ?
What would be their motive?
You have no answers to anything do you.
You're just an infantile non-entity who needs to see his drivel in print.

You can see in the broadcast that there are no splices in the video.

It's not film but TV quality video and if you watch closely which we all did over at Boxrec you can't find a moment when the characters (people) mysteriously change positions.

It's an uninterrupted flow of action in my opinion.

But merely one man's opinion.

[Willie Pep 229]

- - Ask a ****** question, and Bingo, U prove you wouldn't know if a film was spliced that your copy was made from.

Are you guys not on the wrong side of this argument?

The tommy should be the one looking for the excuse, and the yank saying it didn t happen.

You two are a couple of quislings.

[GhostofDempsey]

Vaild Reason: Anglo Dundee is quoted several times claiming he ripped the already existant hole further open making the glove unusable and halting the fight until the gloves were changed.

I of course believe Dundee is full of crap and know he liked to tell stoies that make himself look valuable, indispensable.

But that's the problem I keep brining up -- history by QUOTES is crap history.

Look at all the different quotes being flung back and forth about JJ and Langford and the supposed KD.

History by quotes, especially by the participants themselves is lousy, lazy history.

I have seen the fight in its entirety, the British broadcast of the fight. The round is delayed by no more than ten seconds or so, and it is not clipped.

But Dundee says different so why not post one of Dundee's many distorted reminisces and call it a FACT.

Such nonsense is constantly passed off as history on this forum.

The moment someone on this forum claims he is posting quotes as 'facts' I know I'm listening to crap.

P.S. Dundee also claimed he pulled Ali off the stool (Clay-Liston I) and got the stool out of the ring, when Ali was blinded after the fourth round, to make sure Ali didn't try to sit back down again and quit. That is crap too, Ali stood up on his own and never looked back at the stool. The stool isn't pulled from the ring until after the bell rings for the next round. Dundee didn't t have to push Clay back into the fight, Clay went out on his own. But boy does Dundee tell a different story about how important he was at that moment.

This is what I’ve tried to convey over and over regarding quotes and to an extent news articles. Quotes are often taken out of context today, imagine 100 years ago? Stories passed on from one party to another and another and another are almost unrecognizable by the time it gets to the last person to hear it. Quotes can be unreliable, taken out of context, said in the heat of the moment, lies, exaggerations, truths, sarcastic, etc. we have to take what we know about a fighter’s character and apply some degree of discretion and attempt to measure that quote for accuracy based upon the reputation, patterns of behavior, and integrity of the person making the quote and the one claiming to have heard it.

Anonymous news clippings are also suspect. Often times there is no writer or author credit, no follow up stories or articles, no retractions if they got it wrong, and stories were printed without much if any corroboration or vetting. Journalistic integrity wasn’t exactly enforced a century ago. Look at what he press can get away with today when it’s much easier to debunk or fact check an article. Imagine the early 1900’s where that was far more difficult.

[QueensburyRules]

Are you guys not on the wrong side of this argument?

The tommy should be the one looking for the excuse, and the yank saying it didn t happen.

You two are a couple of quislings.

What do you see? I see dead people.

[Ivich]

You can see in the broadcast that there are no splices in the video.

It's not film but TV quality video and if you watch closely which we all did over at Boxrec you can't find a moment when the characters (people) mysteriously change positions.

It's an uninterrupted flow of action in my opinion.

But merely one man's opinion.

Harry Carpenter introduced the fight a few days later as the full fight as it happened.A stopwatch was put in the corner of the screen and the seconds for the minor delay ticked off.What the few seconds did was give Cooper's corner more time to work on his cut eye.
What motive would the BBC have to splice or in any way tamper with the film?
Dundee said he noticed the stitches around the thumb on one glove were gaping open slightly,he says he helped them along with his finger and then drew the attention of the referee to it.
The irony is that Ali's corner used a phial of smelling salts to help him they put it under a small towel and waved it under his nose and you can clealry see his reaction to it.Smelling salts were illegal in British rings by that time.Nobody mentions this infraction of the rules.

[Ivich]

What do you see? I see dead people.

I see a conspiracy theorist propounding his non sensical theories without any logical motive for them to have happened.
1.Jack Johnson's seconds crawled under the ring in full view of the audience and began shouting for the fight with Burns to be stopped,whereupon the Police entered the ring and halted the fight.
Johnson had won every round and had floored Burns at least once in that round possibly twice.
When I asked you why they would do that when their man was so clearly in command you said to stage a betting coup.
Johnson didnt have any money to bet on himself,he didn't receive his purse till the following day and Burns was the favourite to win.
If this had actually happened,how could Johnson's corner be sure the police would enter the ring and stop the fight in the round they had bet on?
Many in the crowd were calling for the fight to be stopped as early as the 8th round,their shouts were ignored by both the referee and the police.
Since this is a fact why , assuming they could even hear it in the din and excitement, would the police take notice of a muffled voice coming up from under the ring?
2.I ask you again, why would the British Broadcasting Corporation splice film of a fight involving a British boxer to protect an American boxer and cover up wrong doing by his corner?
There is zero logic or sense to your theories,which makes them very similar to the rest your posts!

[QueensburyRules]

Harry Carpenter introduced the fight a few days later as the full fight as it happened.A stopwatch was put in the corner of the screen and the seconds for the minor delay ticked off.What the few seconds did was give Cooper's corner more time to work on his cut eye.
What motive would the BBC have to splice or in any way tamper with the film?
Dundee said he noticed the stitches around the thumb on one glove were gaping open slightly,he says he helped them along with his finger and then drew the attention of the referee to it.
The irony is that Ali's corner used a phial of smelling salts to help him they put it under a small towel and waved it under his nose and you can clealry see his reaction to it.Smelling salts were illegal in British rings by that time.Nobody mentions this infraction of the rules.

- - Been mentioned umpteen times from time immemorial at the start of boxing forums on AOL.

[Ivich]

- - Been mentioned umpteen times from time immemorial at the start of boxing forums on AOL.

My point, which obviously escaped you, is that all the focus is on the "split glove and the non existent mythical minutes that supposedly elapsed while another glove was sought.

[QueensburyRules]

My point, which obviously escaped you, is that all the focus is on the "split glove and the non existent mythical minutes that supposedly elapsed while another glove was sought.

- - Yer point is on the top of U thick noggin growing into the stratosphere. A ******ed anthropoid could see smelling salts rendered as were Henry's and Angie's biographical testimonies that several minutes lapsed after the 1 minute mark.

What grade was U in, then?

[Willie Pep 229]

OK I am confused . . . What is the complaint here: That Clay got more time to recover from the KD or that Cooper had more time have his eye doctored?

If it's both, then call the damn thing a push and more on.