Where does one see . . .

[Willie Pep 229]

. . .the entire Tommy Burns - Jack Johnson fight with corrected ending?

All I keep running into is multiples of the same clip, ending with one narrator or another saying the same line . . . 'At this point the police turned off the camera.'

Is there any truth to that statement?

Has anyone seen footage past that point?

Can I see the entire fight anywhere?

Or is this just forum chatter?

[QueensburyRules]

. . .the entire Tommy Burns - Jack Johnson fight with corrected ending?

All I keep running into is multiples of the same clip, ending with one narrator or another saying the same line . . . 'At this point the police turned off the camera.'

Is there any truth to that statement?

Has anyone seen footage past that point?

Can I see the entire fight anywhere?

Or is this just forum chatter?

- - I'd say it's a bit like Ali/Cooper or the Zapruder JFK clip in that ie it would take a film expert to say if the film has been spliced, and where with boxing expert with the round by round description to put it in proper order.

I seen what was claimed to be remastered, but I have no way to verify.

[Ivich]

- - I'd say it's a bit like Ali/Cooper or the Zapruder JFK clip in that ie it would take a film expert to say if the film has been spliced, and where with boxing expert with the round by round description to put it in proper order.

I seen what was claimed to be remastered, but I have no way to verify.

The Aliv Cooper fight was not spliced,it was shown in its entirety 3 nights after the fight took place.Harry Carpenter the BBC commentator put a stopwatch on the knockdown.

Its claimed that the ending of the Johnson v Burns fight actually shows the beginning of an earlier knockdown.
Burns thought the police stopped the fight because they believed his extremely swollen jaw was broken. Its known that Johnson dropped Burns in the last round ,possibly twice.
What has never been established is if the police stopped the camera at that point or the films exhibitors had the full fight and edited it later.

[QueensburyRules]

The Aliv Cooper fight was not spliced,it was shown in its entirety 3 nights after the fight took place.Harry Carpenter the BBC commentator put a stopwatch on the knockdown.

Its claimed that the ending of the Johnson v Burns fight actually shows the beginning of an earlier knockdown.
Burns thought the police stopped the fight because they believed his extremely swollen jaw was broken. Its known that Johnson dropped Burns in the last round ,possibly twice.
What has never been established is if the police stopped the camera at that point or the films exhibitors had the full fight and edited it later.

- - There is no Ali/Cooper film existent that has not been spliced at the critical juncture unless, unless the beeb who has been negligent in this matter happens to find it buried in a small safe wif the Queens tea set and silver.

That implies an original film no longer exists after being spliced by the beeb.

[Ivich]

- - There is no Ali/Cooper film existent that has not been spliced at the critical juncture unless, unless the beeb who has been negligent in this matter happens to find it buried in a small safe wif the Queens tea set and silver.

That implies an original film no longer exists after being spliced by the beeb.

Sorry it was shown on uncut on national tv and I've seen it several times I also own a copy .I'm afraid you are totally mistaken. But I'm curious why would anyone want to splice the film? Please give a valid reason for it?

[Willie Pep 229]

Vaild Reason: Anglo Dundee is quoted several times claiming he ripped the already existant hole further open making the glove unusable and halting the fight until the gloves were changed.

I of course believe Dundee is full of crap and know he liked to tell stoies that make himself look valuable, indispensable.

But that's the problem I keep brining up -- history by QUOTES is crap history.

Look at all the different quotes being flung back and forth about JJ and Langford and the supposed KD.

History by quotes, especially by the participants themselves is lousy, lazy history.

I have seen the fight in its entirety, the British broadcast of the fight. The round is delayed by no more than ten seconds or so, and it is not clipped.

But Dundee says different so why not post one of Dundee's many distorted reminisces and call it a FACT.

Such nonsense is constantly passed off as history on this forum.

The moment someone on this forum claims he is posting quotes as 'facts' I know I'm listening to crap.

P.S. Dundee also claimed he pulled Ali off the stool (Clay-Liston I) and got the stool out of the ring, when Ali was blinded after the fourth round, to make sure Ali didn't try to sit back down again and quit. That is crap too, Ali stood up on his own and never looked back at the stool. The stool isn't pulled from the ring until after the bell rings for the next round. Dundee didn't t have to push Clay back into the fight, Clay went out on his own. But boy does Dundee tell a different story about how important he was at that moment.

[Willie Pep 229]

So is there a full uncut version of the JJ-Burns fight in existence?

Something odd did happen, because for many years they called it a TKO for Johnson, now Boxrec identifies it as a PTS victory.

Someone knows something, but what?

[QueensburyRules]

Sorry it was shown on uncut on national tv and I've seen it several times I also own a copy .I'm afraid you are totally mistaken. But I'm curious why would anyone want to splice the film? Please give a valid reason for it?

- - Ask a ****** question, and Bingo, U prove you wouldn't know if a film was spliced that your copy was made from.

[The Old LefHook]

Vaild Reason: Anglo Dundee is quoted several times claiming he ripped the already existant hole further open making the glove unusable and halting the fight until the gloves were changed.

I of course believe Dundee is full of crap and know he liked to tell stoies that make himself look valuable, indispensable.

But that's the problem I keep brining up -- history by QUOTES is crap history.

Look at all the different quotes being flung back and forth about JJ and Langford and the supposed KD.

History by quotes, especially by the participants themselves is lousy, lazy history.

Such nonsense is constantly passed off as history on this forum.

The moment someone on this forum claims he is posting quotes as 'facts' I know I'm listening to crap.

You figured it out. You are a bright boy, by buggery..

[Ivich]

- - Ask a ****** question, and Bingo, U prove you wouldn't know if a film was spliced that your copy was made from.

The question was .
Why would the BBC splice the film ?
What would be their motive?
You have no answers to anything do you.
You're just an infantile non-entity who needs to see his drivel in print.